roger stone. >> sean: can i ask you a question?y had to tip off fake new cnn and i got --

credico now says he never had contact with assange, and roger stone was all talk. to guess correctly. did stone have or not have a back channel? otherwise, we're gonna pull the trigger," i would, if my life is at stake, i'd say, "he never had a back channel, but he was just out there." the guy is a self-omoter. you know, he's in show business. well, maybe he did, but i can't imagine that--why would there need to be a back channel when assange could just go directly to the campaign? he didn't need to have stone in the middle, but stone needed to be in the middle so stone could elevate his profile. ♪♪♪ michael: messages from late 2016 between credico and stone showed they were in regular contact with each other about what wikileaks might have. credico told stone, assange "has kryptonite on hillary." four weeks later, he said, "hillary's campaign will die this week." michael: people are talking about this "october surprise." how did you know that it was coming? randy: i said on october 1, "it's gonna be a bad week for hillary, based on what i had seen over the previous

look at what they did to roger stone. us he'll t join us tonight.ir tacti greg, this is nowc ho their tac they want to harass, intimidate and send a message to everyone else. don't mess with usasa. we're all powerful, all mighty. and the double standard, the dual system of justicee couldn't be any more clear than it is now. t iyeah, i don't question i the integrity of the doj and the fbi. i criticize the utter lack of integrity and rectitude of merrick garland and christopher wray, merrick garlandk today unwittingly, stupidly undermined his own argument when he said our standard practice is use the leastet intrusive method. that's called a subpoenaif. and the fbi did that two monthst ago t. so they were counting on donald trump challenging it so that fo forould then be poised a raid. but trump capitulated. he gave them everything they wanted. so they probably sat back at w the doj and said, now what are we going to do? i well, they should have issued another subpoena if they wanted more documents. i suspect all of that is

for roger stone is saying this. wledge as to the facts surrounding his clemency documents appearing on the inventory of items seized from former president trump's home at mar-a-lago. and you know, we should remind people roger stone was convicted of lying to congress some years ago. donald trump granted him klemm aenl ancy when he was leaving the white house. we don't know if that's the pasw what the line item is referring to, but roger stone through his spokesperson is saying hey, don't look at me. i don't know what this is about either. >> we just heard from ambassadorizen. this 15-19 speaks to the potential destruction of documents. if that is what is alleged, would we find that in the affidavit and necessarily not here if that's specifically why that's relevant? >> definitely not going to find it in what is going to be unsealed today. potentially, you might have hints about it in the affidavit, which again, could be a very lengthy document which we will not see unless there is an indictment at some point in the f

roger stone spent some time in florida.m roger but those meeting with the president and war gaming what's coming. >> war gaming what's coming. that's five days before january 6th. we know alex jones was there. he led his own march there. several people involved with his show and also just guests over the time have been arrested. so it's easy to see why the january 6th kmiet tell would be so interested in what is actually a defamation lawsuit in austin, texas. >> yeah, absolutely. it will be interesting to see, too, in those texts, if we ever get to see them, right, how much of that is true. we know there's a lot of bluts ter when it comes to alex jones. he's been fact checked throughout the trial and admonished by the judge, reminded he needs to tell the truth. >> 100%. go with the fact that everything that comes out of alex jones' mouth is going to be a law. that's the way he's been for the last 30 years. he's been caught lying by the jury and by the attorney in court. >> i mean the twists and turns in this one. drew griff

committee show that kelly meggs, the indicted leader of the florida oath keepers, spoke directly with roger stone about security on january 5th and sixth. in fact, on january six, stone was guided by two oath keepers who have since been criminally indicted for seditious conspiracy. one of them later pleaded guilty and, according to the department of justice, admitted that the oath keepers were ready to use, quote, lethal force if necessary against anyone who tried to remove president trump from the white house. including the national guard. as we've, seen the proud boys were also part of the friends of stone network. stones tied to the proud boys go back many years, he's even taken their so-called fraternity creed, required for the first level of initiation to the group. >> hi, i'm roger stone. i midwestern chauvinist and i refused to apologize for creating the modern world. >> thank, you roger. >> kelly sorrow, a lawyer who assist the oath keepers and mueller for the trump campaign, explain to the committee have roger stone and other figures brought extremists of different stripes and views toge

clemency for roger stone, and info related to the president of france. beyond that, several bucks including sets of classified materials, including top secret and confidential documents. joining me now, welcome all, tracey, you once held tss clearance. can you give us examples of the kinds of things that can fall under these various levels of classification and wet might disappear be most about how they were being stored? >> thank you so much for having me. i had it tss ei clearance for almost a decade. in the decade of having it, i never once left a facility with those documents. that's how closely held they are. the president dove has a sweeping ability to declassify the documents. however there's two things that can be classified -- [inaudible] that is the most concerning to me. could be in these [inaudible] and that puts peoples lives at risk. >> totally makes sense. what about you, danny, because the statues driving the warrants include obstruction and espionage. from a legal perspective, how do you interpret that? >> espionage act sounds really bad

he then pardoned roger stone in december of 2021. those documents are public.stice website can see them. what this makes me wonder is whether there's a different executive branch of clemency to roger stone that goes further than the crimes for which he was convicted after his and the doj. and again they are talking about the entire presidency. and so now you have the select group of documents. it's a lot of documents. but at the same time, in comparison sort to scale of the volume of available there was a particular reason why his administration decided to move the documents that he decided to move to florida when he decided to move them. so paying more attention to that and how that plays out is likely going to give insight to the bigger picture about what this may be about. >> remind us, this has happened in an investigation like this. what is next? what's the fbi doing to get this information? what are they going to do with it moving forward? >> going to continue to talk to their informants to make sure there's not any additional information housed anywhere

roger stone. >> sean: can i ask you a question?'re a lawyer. if somebody had to tip off fake new cnn and i got -- doubt they were there at 5:30 in the morning. who gets held accountable for that? >> laura: we don't know who leaked the opinion and nobody's interested in finding that out. rachel tonight, sean and will pick up where you left off. on laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. the biden justice department is getting so desperate they've now gone nuclear. "the angle" will explain in moments. one fbi agent swept into mar-a-lago and monday, they were met by president trump's attorney. if she's in moments with response to merrick garland. but first, spin cycle crash, that's tonight's focus of tonight's "angle." can you imagine what president xi or putin or terrorists who wish to strike against america? this is the america that they use to fear. to speak i personally approve the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of th

what does it have to do with roger stone? we will ask congresswoman zoe lofgren. and measuring the impact on tens of millions of american lives after president biden's student debt cancellation. >> i made a commitment, i am honoring that commitment today. >> all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. we have new election results last night, i've gotta say, in the end of day, 24 hours later. one thing is clear than it is ever been. we are, right now, as i speak to you tonight, in a whole new world, politically. what's the future will bring, how the november midterm elections will unfold 76 days from now is obviously unknown, it is the future. but if you are trying to figure out what's the expectation is, it is basically a jump ball. it is a 50/50 proposition right now. and i am shocked to find myself saying that. i mean, truly! just a few months ago, it did not seem like that would be the case. and there were a number of obvious reasons why. of course, first, there is a structural factor. modern politics, it is a truism, the incu

described with just a box number, a few reveal more like this an executive grant of clemency for roger stone. info regarding the president of france. two binders of photos and one handwritten note in a statement, former president trump responds it was all declassified, adding they could have had it any time they wanted without playing politics >> all right kelly o'donnell joins us now from the white house. kelly, the fbi now has their documents back i guess the big question tonight, is that it? was that their goal or to pursue charges? >> reporter: to be determined investigators must review what is inside all these boxes. is it enough government property has been returned the hard way will we learn why the former president kept these things the affidavit in this matter is still sealed and that contains much more about what investigators were pursuing and where this might lead. tom? >> all right still so many questions tonight. kelly o'donnell leading us off from the white house. >>> i want to bring in our justice correspondent ken dilanian kelly touched upon this in her story, but explain to

we have no idea with that roger stone clemency document could be. the one the fbi took from mar-a-lago, but it could have been a private pardon. meaning a pardon trump granted secretly without the justice department or virtually anybody else. knowing that there is no way to tell right now. there is no way. but, if this reporting is correct, that the january six committee is investigating whether or not private pardon papers exist, well then now you have my attention. and i have just the person to ask, right here about this. my next guest has quite the resume. she spent 18 years as a federal prosecutor in birmingham alabama, before becoming a u.s. attorney. in 2009, she was one of the first five u.s. attorneys. there she is. to be nominated by president barack obama when he took office. in fact, was the first u.s. attorney that she named them was unanimously concerned by the senate. no small feat. joyce vance spent nearly a entirety of barack obama's two terms of president, almost eight years as the u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama.

we have no idea with that roger stone clemency document could be.go, but it could have been a private pardon. meaning a pardon trump granted secretly without the justice department or virtually anybody else. knowing that there is no way to tell right now. there is no way. but, if this reporting is correct, that the january six committee is investigating whether or not private pardon papers exist, well then now you have my attention. and i have just the person to ask, right here about this. my next guest has quite the resume. she spent 18 years as a federal prosecutor in birmingham alabama, before becoming a u.s. attorney. in 2009, was one of the first five u.s. attorneys. there she is. to be nominated by president barack obama when he took office. in fact, was the first u.s. attorney that she named them was unanimously concerned by the senate. no small feat. joyce vance spent nearly a tiredly of rock obama's two terms of president, almost eight years as the u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. that is why she is here. among other reas

the fact that this roger stone clemency document was taken when the fbi seized papers from mar-a-lagoo through the doj's i believe office of the pardon, right? >> the pardon attorney, right, who routinely handles all pardons. >> is it possible that trump has a stash of private pardon papers that might intersect with some of the things he did around january 6th? >> my temptation is to tell you absolutely not. it's impossible. but this is trump that we're talking about, right? he didn't do things like anyone else. the reason you have a pardon attorney is so there's an official record of a president granting pardons while he is in office. could trump have done these privately? i suppose he could have. but there's one limitation. even trump would have to create some form of a record that that pardon was issued while he was in office. right? he doesn't today at mar-a-lago have the power to pardon anyone. >> despite what he might say, i think one of the reasons this is interesting is because of all the other rhetoric that's coming out of trumpland, vis-a-vis these documents at mar-a-lago, r

when you look at this list, you've got executive grant of clemency for roger stone jr. information, the president of france. leather bound documents. why would they be taking binders of photos from the house? why would you take those? >> it all depends on the four corners of the affidavit. in essence, what they represented, they were going -- they were needing to take from the home if they observed it. now, under the plane site doctrine, if they saw evidence of something that they believed was criminal while searching, they can grab that. that doesn't seem to be what's going on here. what this appears to be is a very broad and general affidavit in support of seizing documents that they believed were inappropriately in the custody of the president. i kind of -- i back away from this and think this is the former president of the united states who has the highest clearance, has the ability to designation something as classified or to unclassify something and they also have an area in the home that they can have to review classified materials. so none of that adds up to whe

alex jones and roger stone pushed a new conspiracy to try to explain why trump may lose.h of stop the steal. >> you're having your republic stolen in front of you. >> then trump won. >> right now, a historic moment. we can now project donald trump wins the presidency. >> infowars would rake in $850,000 in sales in its most lucrative day in three years. a president who pushed lies, conspiracy theories, and disinformation was heading to the white house. with jones' help, the info war against a democracy was put in motion. the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty. an answer. uncovered through exploration, teamwork, and innovation. an answer that leads to even more answers. mayo clinic. you know where to go. >>> with trump in office, jones and infowars were riding high. >> i talked to the president and i talked to people who talk to the president every day. >> jones took credit for trump's win, told followers and those around him he had trump's ear. >> jones said it all the time. just g

it was a crazy theory that trump could use roger stone or myself and carter page to reach out to the . roger would do it with wikileaks, i was with moscow. when to release the hacked materials, it was a crazy theory and his motive was that trump was going to give eastern ukraine to russia when he became president, which he did exactly the opposite. when he became present, he gave lethal weapons to ukraine that obama wouldn't do, and that biden stopped doing when he became president until russia was invaded. so i mean, his motive was already out of style when he was trying to force me into telling lies to give him his narrative. >> sean: and how ironic is it that it was a dirty misinformation russian dossier paid for by hillary clinton that the fbi used to get the warrant on carter page to backdoor into the trump campaign and spy on a candidate and a president, you can't make that up. and then in 2020 they said oh, hunter's laptop, it's all russian disinformation. so whenever it's convenient they will use russia anyway they want to use russia to, you know, help their select candidate.

those 11 sets of classified information, the executive clemency regarding roger stone, boxes of photos. attorney general merrick garland strongly indicating they had tried other routes to retrieve these documents before executing the search warrant. we know there was a subpoena in the spring. we know they found documents classified all the way to top secret. only a few would ever have access to them. our chief washington correspondent jonathan karl leading us off. >> reporter: tonight, an exaoinary window into why the fbi took the unprecedented step of executing a search warrant at mar-a-lago. a federal judge unsealing the warrant, making it public, along with an accounting of what federal agents seized from former president trump's property. the documents reveal just how much federal agents found -- 27 boxes of government records, including 11 sets of classified documents. the property receipt, a copy of which trump's attorney received from federal agents at mar-a-lago monday night, shows that the 11 sets of classified material included 4 sets marked top secret, and one at an even hig

the roger stone case, like so roger stone in the sentencing recommendation comes out from the prosecutors for people try to convict him predict the approved all of the way as high as they had to go and justice department up to the u.s. attorney and that night donald trump tweeted that this is now great, a miscarriage of and an hour later bill barr takes the steps of undermining his own prosecutors and reside from the case are from the doj. and then bill barr said i didn't know and i never saw the president's tweet. and again i can't disprove that but i very dubious audit so in the mob bosses, donald trump does not have to calling people to say, there's understanding. they get into a flow are instances that there are explicit things between the two. but i think that is close of an analogy that i can make it to the mob world. with that relationship. >> of course, and one of the think so, i want to give away too much in the book so i will stop pulling from too many exurbs. but one of the things in outlook of the big picture here, so part of why i like this book so much is that you see a lot

roger stone might be related to january 6th in an ongoing investigation. so that might be classified in some way or the information about some investigation that was going on about roger stone in the trump administration and he wanted to keep those materials. the president of france is an interesting example. there's a lot of speculation online. i don't know, no one knows what the substance is. i think it gets to a broader point, the extent to which our allies are looking at this thinking this is really bad for us because a former president who had access to not just the u.s. secrets but their secrets through nato, through interpol, through what's called five eyes, an intelligence sharing capability through our five allies, that is also vulnerable. we can't just look at this from our perspective. and this is a nightmare for the biden administration. this is out in the real world, not mar-a-lago. this is, you know, things -- there's a war in ukraine, there's challenges with china and allies are rightfully concerned. why the heck is the president of -- forme

roger stone, he endured a predawn raid. the fbi even put fbi -- in the water behind stone's house and someone invited cnn cameras to film it all at 5:30 a.m. meanwhile, and you know what happened to lieutenant flynn? his family was treated to legal charges before that and flynn was purposely misled by yap, director james comey himself. he wanted to take advantage. i sent them. prime's administration, the first few days he was in office. george papadopoulos railroaded with a process crime. more recently, peter navarro shackled at an airport, humiliated publicly because of a misdemeanor? usually you tell someone to report at this time or we will send people out and execute a warrant. hillary clinton put america's national security at risk, classified material stored on her private server. we have equal justice in this country customer and she tried to cover it up we know by destroying evidence, including wiping hard. it is something we never knew or heard about before called bleach bit. she destroyed phones with hammers, retu

is there any reason that the pardon of roger stone might overlap with your investigation? >> well it's theoretically possible, obviously we don't know what the fbi got and if they got it, doesn't mean the committee will get it. they are not necessarily sharing their information with the legislative committee but clearly, roger stone was one of the individuals who was tied up with the insurrectionists in many ways. he came into the committee and took the fifth amendment and every question and so, yeah, we are very interested in that. i mean, we don't know what was communicated between the former president and mr. stone but, it would be of interest to the committee. >> after the search earlier this week, president trump, his allies, the right-wing media, there's been this furious reaction, and it's been rather familiar, there's been conspiracy theories that have been floated, accusations of the politicization of the fbi. how worried are you that some members of the republican party could be fueling potential violence? >> oh it's very clear that they are. for example, congres

roger stone is going to be speaking in d.c. general flynn is going to be speaking and roger stone spent substantial time in trump with florida a few days ago, i have a fuel intel i'm not at liberty to tell you not just from roger but from other people that have been m meeting with the president and war game wlag is coming. >> war gaming what is coming. >> there is two possibilities. either alex jones is just talking crazy and making lies up and that is sort of his brand or he's basing that on something and what would catch my attention, whether coming from the perspective of the january 6 committee or doj, is alex jones said that roger stone and others people, so if will is any truth to that and texts have a way of revealing truth in a way in a witnesses often don't, then your darn right january 6 committee needs to see those and potentially prosecutors do as well. >> page, tell me your thoughts on that and how unusual is it that alex jones's attorneys accidentally sent a trove of these texts to the victims' attorney. how does

resurrecting the slogan that roger stone had coined in 2016. steal ] >> raising money, firing up crowds, running sales on inno wars and calling his followers to action. >> everybody needs to be around that white house supporting it. they need to see patriots in the streets of d.c. [ chanting: alex ] [ chanting: fight has just begun ] >> each speech aggressive and foreboding. >> we will never give up, we will never surrender, we will never back down to the satanic pedophile globalist new world order. >> even other organizers planning stop the steal rallies like dustin stockton say jones was going too far. >> we could sense that like, this was a really volatile situation. we also were trying to keep it from crossing that line into violence. they're firebrands, and when you are doing that, it's kind of an exponential growth, like, how outrageous you have to be. >> undeon december 19th, 2020, donald trump tells his followers, big protest in d.c. on january 6th. be there. will be wild. >> alex jones never looked back. >> we need people to start goin

same with processed crime with mentor fort forcing with roger stone.se are not violent criminals that deserve predawn raid -- america tonight is asking do we have equal justice and application about laws in this country, because after the way they treated your father with the russian hoax -- again, the better have a good reason for this. and here's another thing, were the lawyers allowed to follow the fbi through mar-a-lago today as they were looking everywhere? to anyone watch? >> the answer was -- they weren't allowed to be anywhere in sight. that's got to be a violation right there. they weren't allowed to be anywhere in sight. you go back to hillary there's a whole lot of other things. how about the benghazi scandal, the foundation, how many shady oligarchs from russia working tripping to that? how about uranium one. going to talk about scandals that were never investigated, never vetted, you know, it's the rules for thee and not for me. this has been happening since day one. they cannot stand that a guy name donald trump, who is a real estate deve

at this location a, paul manafort or roger stone? why the big show? >> only when it's a conservative. because it's donald trump and this is the weaponization for political purposes by the fbi and the department of justice. you're right. sean. re whensi you identify the presidential records act of nineteen sixty eight seventy eight , which is far fromar a model of clarityit and in fact it's one of the more opaque laws you'll ever read one of the problems with it is that iti gives discretion and authoritybe to the incumbent president tont decide what constitutes presidential papers. he may identify, excludeos and dispose of presidential papers. and you point out the classified nature allegedly of some ofre the documents identified by the national archives that are nototl compett agency to recognize classified documents because the president is the ultimate authority in declassifying documents. he may doum so with a wave of hs hand without notification to the national archives. so i think what you're reallyan seeing here is an abuse of power by the fbi a

>> well, as you will recall, roger stone came into our committee and publicly revealed that he had takenns and we are a civil body, we are legislative body, and you are allowed to make some assumptions when someone pleads the fifth. apparently he must fear that he has criminal liability for the actions. well, it turns out, videography, videographer's took a lot of footage of a whole variety of people, including mr. stone, and especially when a witness refuses to answer questions, we are eager to see what the video evidence might show. so, i can't go into it more than that, but we do hope to find all that there is to know not only about mr. stone, but mr. bannon and many others who, i think, played a role in the whole events leading up to january 6th. >> they get a lot of video recording of themselves, it seems. i mean, just about everywhere, all throughout all the cases of january six, the big as well, no shortage of that. congresswoman zoloft, thank you so much for coming on tonight. >> anytime. >> still to come, a big, big move for the biden administration that will help millions of pe

and executive grand clemency for roger stone, two binders of photos, and a handwritten note. the unprecedented search, authorized by the attorney general. >> i personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant. >> former president trump, in a statement, insisting it was all declassified. they could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics. adding in all caps, all they had to do is ask. the search monday appeared to inspire a wave of new threats against the fbi. including a gunman, who tried to break into a cincinnati field office. he holds for violence against federal agents, until people to prepare for combat on social media. >> violence against law enforcement is not the answer. >> democrats, enraged by republicans who say the search was unfairly done. >> people will die if they keep whipping up and encouraging violence. >> conservative lawmakers, loyal to the former president, see the search is a quote weaponization of the department of justice by the biden administration. >> the fbi raid of president trump is a complete abuse and overreach of autho

prosecutors would probably really like to have information about roger stone, who was involved in theto believe that he and jones were in close contact leading up to january 6th. so we know that the january 6th committee, not the justice department, has definitively asked to see those text messages. it seems very likely that d.o.j. will follow up with a grand jury subpoena as well. and we don't want to get too far out over our skis here. we don't know what's in these messages, whether they pertain to this relevant period of time and have important information, but one thing that tends to happen when you're an investigator looking at messages and communication by key people, even if those messages aren't important, they tend to lead to you other people and witnesses. there's a lot of up side for investigators as they begin to go through the materials once they obtain them. >> luke, you've been reporting a lot about this and the fact that the committee wants their hands on these texts but the plaintiffs' lawyers don't know what they tell. >> the january 6th committee has been trying to

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roger stone had to be sure by the 70 -year-old. >> certainly would have turned myself in bed at 6:00'clock a.m. swat clad fbi agents with 17 armored vehicles with the helicopter overhead to amphibious units all of them brandishinge fully automatic assault weapons stormed my home to arrest me. another 6:00 a.m. raid. bad knee bad back fat heart. but with that congressional subpoena. >> we went to the shock and awe. let me go to the airport and then five agents like al qaeda terrorist and the next thing we know leg iron in man cuffs and strip-searched. >> the fbi is acting like a bunch of thugs. and a clear attempt to intimidate republicans but the problem is the left is not met with the same show of force or cany force. remember hillary clinton destroying thousands of e-mails with hammers no way to know fbi. >> although there is evidence of potential violation of the statutes regarding the handle of classified information the judgment is no reasonable prosecutor would think one —- take such a case. >> yet they would not even dare whisper about insider-trading. >> . >> and then the fir

roger stone attended rallies during the afternoon and evening of january 6 in washington dc. on january 5 and six, mr. stone was photographed with multiple members of the of teachers -- of the both teacher -- of the oath keepers. multiple members of that organization will charged with or played guilty to crimes related to january 6. mr. talk -- general michael flynn has also taken the bit before this committee. mr. stone previously had been convicted of other federal clients -- crimes unrelated to january 6. general flynn has pleaded guilty to a federal charge also unrelated to january 6. president trump writing general flynn weeks after the presidential election and on july of 2020, he commuted the sentence roger stone was to serve. the night before january 6, president trump instructed his chief of staff, mark meadows, to contact both roger stone and michael flynn regarding what would play out the next day. this hutchison, is it your understanding that president trump asked mark middle speak with roger stone and general flynn january 5? ms. hutchinson: that is my understand

roger stone recommendations from the people who tried and convicted roger stone. proved all the way as high as they had to go the justice department up to the u.s. attorney. that night donald n trump treats this is an outrage this is a miscarriage of justice. an hour later billboard takes the unprecedented step of undermining his own prosecutors and then resigned from the cased and then bill barr claims i didn't know i never saw the president's tweet. i cannot disprove that. but very dubious of it. one of the best mob bosses trump does have the call people and say hey this hard like you to do thing there is an understanding, there are instances there are explicit coordination between the two. i think that's the closest analogy i can make thereto the mob world without relationship. [laughter] of course. i don't want to give away too much of the book. t i'm going to stop pulling from too many excerpts. one of things to make a big picture here because again part of why i like this book so much is that you see a lot of the real world current new cycle current world in

however, we know trump did end up commuting roger stone's sentence shortly before he was supposed to in office, he ultimately granted stone a pardon. this leaked audio from nearly three years ago is more than just intriguing. it remains extremely relevant, central, frankly, to everything we cover these days. because that same mentality, that same disregard for the rule of law or facing the consequences for breaking the law is not a thing of our country's past. we learned recently from the january 6th select committee, that matt gaetz, who's in trouble for alleged child sex trafficking, was one of at least six trump loyalists in congress who sought pardons for their work in trying to overturn president joe biden's victory in the 2020 election. earlier this year, trump floated the idea that he might pardon january 6th rioters if he ever holds office again. jackie alemany is here, "washington post" congressional investigations reporter. also joining us, former senator claire mccaskill and former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, frank figliuzzi, is still with us. i want to

took 20 boxes and binders of photos and a clemency letter on behalf of the political strategist roger stone was information about the president of france according to the wall street journal although it is unclear exactly what that refers to. the list shows that one list of documents was marked ts forward struck sci and dust dancer top—secret force sensitive information. it's a classification level research for things that could cause exceptionally grave damage to us security and it is also said to include faucets of top—secret documents, three sets of secret documents, three sets of secret documents and three sets of controversial documents, of controversial documents, of controversial dealer or... i spoke earlier before we knew the exact contents are former federal prosecutor and we discussed the likely political implications of this. ., , ., likely political implications of this. . ., ., ., ., ., , this. certainly a lot of allegations are bein: this. certainly a lot of allegations are being made _ this. certainly a lot of allegations are being made across _ this. certainly a lot of alleg

it was a crazy theory that trump had used roger stone oran myself and carterd page to reach out to the russians. roger was dealing with wikileaks. i was dealing with moscowwi. trump was the centerpiece ofea when they have released the hacked materialsse. it was a crazy theory. and he had he had and hisea motive was that trump was goingi to give eastern ukraine to russia when he became president ,which he did exactly the opposite when he became president. he gave lethal weapons to ukraine that obama wouldn't do and biden stop doing whenn he became president until russia was invaded. soou i mean, his motive was already out of style when he was trying to force me into telling lies to give up his t narrativeo . and how ironic is it that it was a dirty misinformation russian russian dossier paid for by hillary clinton that the fbi used to get the warrant on carter page to backdoor into the trump campaign and spy on a candidate as president. y you can't make that up. and then in 2020 they said, oh, hunter's laptop. it's allnt russian disinformatin . so whenever whenever it's convenient, they

el fbi se llevÓ 20 cajas de materiales, incluyendo un permiso de perdÓn a roger stone e informaciÓn dea para ciertos funcionarios del gobierno. trump dijo que habÍa desclasificado esa informaciÓn, pero el gobierno indica que su propio departamento de justicia declarÓ en su momento que trump no siguiÓ el proceso administrativo y que por tanto, todavÍa eran secretos. ¿se cometieron delitos? a la decisiÓn estarÁ en manos de un gran jurado. patricia: trump enfrenta un juicio por problemas fiscales. comenzarÁ el 24 de octubre segÚn lo decÍs yo ——decidiÓ un juez de nueva york. la empresa y sus directivos fueron acusados de operar durante 15 aÑos una trama de evasiÓn fiscal. leÓn: la cÁmara baja aprobÓ una iniciativa demÓcrata que incluye inversiones por $669,000,000,000. recibiÓ 220 votos a favor y 207 en contra. el proyecto ya habÍa recibido el visto bueno del senado este fin de semana gracias al voto de desempate de la vicepresidenta. patricia: como si no tuviera suficiente con el covid y la viruela del mono, nueva york enfrenta la amenaza del poliomielitis. rastros de este virus se han en

for roger stone. remember when he granted clemency to roger stone?nd, where could i also find that? okay that is right. that is on the internet. where on the internet? it is on the website of the department of justice. very important to have that hard copy. back in the white house. they also said there wasn't sensitive information on the president of france, mccrone. are they accusing trump of colluding with france now? what is this? is this the revolutionary war again? i mean, could not have been those numerous binders of photos they pulled out of mar-a-lago, right? if they go after presidential selfies? was it the leather bound box of documents the justice department was after? now i'm interested. or did they just need trump's handwritten notes back in the archives? these were the things that were seized. the fbi left mar-a-lago with 20 boxes worth of stuff. what is left? let's turn to james trust representing president trump. he is partner. james you have been on the phone -- show before, what is going on here? >> james: rate question. i think wha

i believed that in the fbi even though the prior january we all witnessed roger stone being raided at0 a.m. or whenever it happened. the three years prior, the weaponization of the justice department and the fbi going after trump and the russian collusion. so i knew going to the fbi was going to be risky. so i made a copy of the drive. i still believed in the system. if i didn't follow-through, if i didn't try to go to the fbi, i might as wealthy the system doesn't exist and what is the point in the system? >> sean: okay. so here you are. you see something that is questionable in terms of possible law breaking. you never went in to the specifics of what it was that alerted you to that level. you want to tell us now or do you want to keep that quiet still? >> well, i've mentioned that my concerns for national security. the pay for play scheme running out of the vice president's office. whether it's travel schedules, america's policy and procedures towards the ukraine were being openly sent, not to mention the drugs and the sex trafficking and the human -- the embarrassing things on the

we've seen the defiance of other trump officials reach that same conclusion, like roger stone-faced the, quote, more assertive measures that the attorney general mentioned this week. stone arrested in that predawn raid at his home. he was convicted which led to a later reprieve from trump, which full circle is one of tonight's newly revealed records that trump apparently took, lifted, and hid at home. we have john eastman, who pushed the coup memo and have found his phone seized in a different doj probe and potentially assertive measures. and another trump favorite of doj, jeffrey clark, who faced a home raid as well. not unlike what just happened at mar-a-lago. the rule of law hitting different people at different times. then you have one of trump's biggest, most loyal, controversial coup enabler, steve bannon. and here is the difference. he pulled more of a mar-a-lago. trump showed up to claim the fifth. bannon could have done that, but he didn't. he went farther. >> the plain fact here is that mr. bannon has no legal right to ignore the committee's lawful subpoena. >> mr. bannon will

but clearly, roger stone was one of the individuals who was tied up with the insurrectionists in manyndment on every question. so, yeah, we're very interested in that. i mean, we don't know whether there were -- what was communicated between the former president and mr. stone, but it would be of interest to the committee. >> after the search earlier this week, president trump, his allies, right wing media, there's been this furious reaction, and it's been rather familiar. there's been, you know, conspiracy theories that have been floated, oaccusations of te politicization of the fbi. how worried are you that, you know, some members of the republican party could be fuelling potential violence? >> well, it's very clear that they are. for example, congressman gosar tweeted, we've got to destroy the fbi to save america. well, you know, shortly thereafter, some unhinged guy who was involved the in the january 6 insurrection attacked an fbi office in ohio -- >> cincinnati. >> now, i'm not -- yeah, i'm not suggesting that representative gosar approves of attacking physically the fbi, but cer

investigation investigation about the presidet of france and information about the pardoning of roger stone se of that top secret material liky included highly sensitive commun intercepts. the warrant seeks documents related to national security. a possible violation of the espionage act. mishandlig classified information and siten of property. trump said the documents were declass classify and he would have provided if asked. >> that can still amount to obsn of justice. the classification issue is separate. > >> john bolton trump's one timey advisor and now local critic told cbs news. >> i thought he handled them ca. i don't think he fully appreciad the significance of the classifn procedure. >> reporter: but some say the sh was an overreach by the d.o.j. >> we're very concerned about te method that was used in the raig of maralago and the nine hours that transpired while they were in the former president's home. >> reporter: t john paul teachew at hayings and says the trump bases are serious if he's ultimy indicted. >> we're talking about the crimt come right up to the edge of treason aga

these are people who very likely were communicating with roger stone, who was donald trump's eyes and ears on the scene at the capitol prior to the insurrection. we don't know what they've said. we don't know what the department knows, but it looks as though the department of justice is clamping down from two sides here, from the bottom and from the top. and at some point they're going to have to make a decision as to who the weak link is, and i think that's mark meadows. when he was first approached by the january 6th committee, he folded like an accordion, gave them a bunch of emails and told them donald trump started complaining and he suddenly backed off. but when the rubber hits the road, mark meadows is going to have to take a deal, plead, and cooperate. so that is where i think this is ultimately going to go because, remember, cassidy hutchinson testified that mark meadows was communicating with roger stone on january 5th. so he knows a lot and was with donald trump throughout those days leading up to the insurrection and afterwards. so i think that's where the weak link is ult

it's not like roger stone getting some form of a clemency or a pardon was not known.t three-year prison sentence and prison term. so do you have, when you heard that as one of the possible documents, help us understand. is there a bridge that you could foresee of why that would be connected under a warrant like this? >> the short answer is no. they might have taken many things that were just described by the warrant though when i heard about the prime minister of france i thought, hum. is trump looking to blackmail? i really want to address a couple things that fareed said. you know, one that i agree with and have agreed with is it won't be enough just to show the facts and the law. there will be at the end of the day a best interests of the day analysis. second, however, the notion that, well, there are different violations under this statute and some are relatively benign, no, no, no. we are talking about materials. imagine that these aren't pieces of paper, but these are pieces of plutonium. and even if you carelessly smuggled them out, the u.s. comes and says we n

trump's ally, roger stone. there's also something to do with the president of france. joyce, when you read through the wall street courage's reporting, how did you understand it? >> well, if this reporting is accurate, what it suggests is that there was a willful mishandling of classified material by mr. trump. because after being served a subpoena, and i'm going to make an enormous leap of faith here and assume that justice department folks when they got whenever they got previously out of mar-a-lago would have said is this everything that you have? are there any classified materials remaining here? and they would have gotten a no response. someone, whoever was speaking for mr. trump would have said we have given you everything that we believe is classified. when we now see reporting that there is top secret, compartmental documents included in what has now been retrieved from mar-a-lago, it is very difficult to overstate the significance of that. to see these materials, not only do you need the appropriate clearance, you have to have a need to know about the specific