hearing was long time trump adviser and self-described dirty trickster roger stone. showed clips from danish documentary filmmakers who have been following stone for the past three years including during the 2020 election cycle. it shows stone calling for violence and suggesting way before trump actually lost that he could just declared victory regardless of the outcome. >> let's just hope we're celebrating. i suspect it will be, i really suspect it will still be up in the air. when that happens the key thing to do is claim victory. possession is nine-tenth of the law, no, we won, [ bleep ] you. you're wrong, [ bleep ] you. >> right to the violence. >> joining me now is one of the documentary filmmakers, christopher guldbrandsen, director of a storm foretold. what did you learn over the course of doing this documentary about roger stone's relationship to the conspiracy? did he talk about in more specifics the idea that they would simply keep trump in power no matter whether he won or lost? >> yes, i would say he began already in july of '21 to discuss what to do. it

to decline to answer your question. >> although we don't yet have all the relevant records of roger stone's communications, even stone's own social media posts acknowledge that he spoke with donald trump on december 27 as preparations for january 6 were underway. in this post, you can see how roger stone talked about his conversations with president trump. he wrote -- "i also told the president exactly how he can appoint a special counsel with full subpoena power to ensure those who are attempting to steal the 2020 election through voter fraud are charged and convicted and to ensure donald trump continues as our president." as we know by now, the idea for a special counsel was not just an idle suggestion. it was something president trump had actually tried to do earlier that month. we know that roger stone was at the willard hotel on january 5th and 6th, and we know from other witness testimony that president trump asked his chief of staff mark meadows to speak with roger stone and general michael flynn that night. in addition to his connection to president trump, roger stone maintained ext

trump pardoned roger stone on december 23rd, 2020. now, recently the select committee got footage of mr. stone before and after the election from danish filmmaker christopher gillbranson pursuant to a subpoena. right before the election here is roger stone talking about what president trump would do after the election. >> let's just hope we are celebrating. i suspect it will be, i really do suspect it will still be up in the air. when that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. possession is 9/10 of the law, no, we [bleep] you, you are wrong, [bleep] you. >> right to the violence. >> start smashing pumpkins, if you know what i mean. >> the select committee called mr. stone as a witness. but he invoked his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. >> you believe the violence on january 6th was justified? >> on the advice of counsel i respectfully decline to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. >> and mr. stone, did you have any role in planning for the violence on january 6th? >> once again, i wil

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right to decline to answer your question. >> although we don't have all the relevant records of roger stone's medications, even stone's own social media posts acknowledge that he spoke with donald trump on december 27 as preparation for january 6 was underway. in this post, you can see how roger stone talked about his conversations with president trump. he wrote i also told the president exactly how he can appoint a special counsel with full subpoena power to ensure those who are attempting to steal the 2020 election through voter fraud are charged and convicted and to ensure donald trump continues as our president. as we know by now, the idea for special counsel was not just an idle suggestion. it was something president trump had actually tried to do earlier that month. we know that roger stone was at the willard hotel on january 5 and sixth and we know from other witness testimony that president trump asked his chief of staff mark meadows to speak with roger stone and general michael flynn that night. in addition to his connection to president trump, roger stone made extensive direct conne

trump pardoned roger stone december 23, 2020. recently, the select committee got footage of mr. e before and after the election from a danish filmmaker, pursuant to a subpoena. right before the election, here is roger stone, talking about what president trump would do after the election. >> let's hope we are celebrating. i suspect it will be still be up in the air. but when that happens, the key thing to do is claim victory. no we won, sorry. you are wrong. [laughter] [indiscernible] >> do you believe the violence on january 6 was justified? >> i respectfully decline to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. >> did you have any role in planning for the violence january 6? >> once again, i will assert my fifth amendment right to decline to answer your question. >> although we don't yet have all the relevant records of roger stone's communications, even his own social media posts acknowledge that he spoke with donald trump december 27th as preparations for january 6 were underway. in this post, you can see how roger stone talked about his conversations with presi

replaying the footage of the veteran gop operative and donald trump pal. >> clear that in some sense roger stoneas a go between. the actual election didn't matter to stone. the vote didn't matter. >> roger stone, some of his words are quite chilling. don't know how they'll hold up in court, but they do indicate a lot. howard: but then the hurricane forced the committee to cancel the hearing, rennering all this old news by the time the session is held later this month. i'm howard kurtz, and this is "mediabuzz." joining us now to analyze the coverage in saratoga springs, new york, brian kilmeade, cohost of "fox & friends" weekend -- excuse me, cohost of "fox & friends" and host of "one nation with brian kilmeade." and in las vegas, laura fink, commentator and democratic strategist. brian, thanks for stopping by before you go off to see the popenies. what do you make of the -- ponies. what do you make of the roger stone video and the house committee's move of leaking it to the networks? >> unbelievable. a couple of things. roger stone was never an insider, he didn't last a few weeks with the trump

trump pardoned roger stone on december 23 of 2020. recently, the select committee of mr. stone before and after the election from filmmaker christopher gill branson. >> reppo for the lesson, here is roger stone, talking about what president trump would do after the election. >> let's just hope we are celebrating. i suspect it will still be up in the air. when that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. possession is 9/10 of the law. we won. no, you are wrong. ---- you. >> the select committee called mr. stone as a witness but he invoked his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. >> on the advice of counsel, i respectfully declined to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. >> did you have any role in the planning of the violence for january 6? >> once again i will assert my fifth amendment right and declined to your question. >> although we don't yet have all of the relative records, even stone's own social media posts acknowledge that he spoke with donald trump on december 27 as preparations for january 6 were underway. in this post

this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on the morning of january six. ifying before our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on his private cell phone on either january 5th or january six? >> once again, by advice of counsel, i assert my fifth amendment right to respectfully declined to answer your question. >> this is general michael flynn walking with oath keepers on december 12th, 2020. and here is general flynn's testimony before our committee. >> did you, general flynn, talk to president trump at any point on january six, 2021? >> the fifth. >> here is john eastman, fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protesters that the vice president could change the election outcome on january six. later on in the same day, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> president trump authorize you to discuss publicly on january 4th, 2021 a conversation with him? >> fifth. so is your position -- there are conversations you had with t

do you think we know the full scope of roger stone's involvement on january 6th? >> we know a little bit more with, every trial, and with every bit of investigative evidence, that is surfacing. the way to think about stone is there was three people that were pardoned by the president. stone, michael flynn, and steve bannon. all three of them, acting as intermediaries, to a different extent, with the domestic violence extremist groups. of course, roger stone has made a career out of that, and the transmission belt with the highest precincts of power in, the republican party, and street fascists, and hooligans. that's how he defined his role. we saw that in 2000, during the gucci riot, as well. but, michael flynn, also, has been doing his outreach. i think i call these guys the flintstones. they are, really, the critical point of contact, between the trump campaign, to overthrow the 2020 election, and the domestic violence extremist groups. i think that donald trump was, pretty careful, to not get his hands dirty, if what he would say in public, such as proud boys, s

it looks like roger stone is in the thick of it.s like he should perhaps be investigated and indicted for participating in a seditious conspiracy, and we are all just waiting to see if that happens. >> carol, i want to happy more specifically about the secret service in this. this week, we learned that the leadership in the secret service had confiscated the cell phones of 24 agents involved in the agency's response on january the six. they have become central to the investigation and according to the sources, were then handed -- this officer then handed over to the department of homeland security inspector general, and you had the vice chair liz cheney announcing last year that the committee had an -- obtained around 80,000 pages of communication materials from the agency. how pivotal is disinformation in piecing together what was happening that day and why? >> well, aside from videotapes, they are really in terms of at and quality of evidence, there is not much better than text messages. the reason for that is because people tend

it looks like roger stone is in the thick of it.oks like he should perhaps be investigated and indicted for participating in a seditious conspiracy, and we are all just waiting to see if that happens. >> carol, i want to happy more specifically about the secret service in this. this week, we learned that the leadership in the secret service had confiscated the cell phones of 24 agents involved in the agency's response on january the six. they have become central to the investigation and according to the sources, were then handed over, the cell phones were handed over to the department of homeland security inspector general, and you had the vice chair liz cheney announcing last year that the committee hat obtained around 80,000 pages of communication materials from the agency. how pivotal is this information in piecing together what was happening that day and why? >> well, aside from videotapes, they are really in terms of quality of evidence, they are not much better than text messages the reason for that is because people tend to p

>> roger stone is not a violent person but the people he surrounds himself with are. roger, joe bix, stuart rhodes, the oath keepers, they're people that engage in political violence and they surround him and listen to him. i certainly agree with what fredrik is saying but there's a sense of -- there's an old code of you're in the bathtub they're pouring in hot water, when do you shout? that's an awkwardness and it's uncomfortable. but you -- you don't know when to say stop. if you can follow me. it's very difficult. when is the breaking point? i think what we have learned in this process by looking at the united states and its democracy is that it is happening, the things they're threatening or alleging, there's always this double side to what they're saying. seems like it's humor but there isn't. there's always this double entan dray to it. >> you say you're from a small european country but you have played a role in american history. thank you for sharing that. your documentary is called "a storm foretold". thank you for joining us this morning. >>> surging prices

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this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on the morning of january 6th. e our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on a cell phone on the night of january ath or january 6. >> once again on the advice of counsel i will assert my fifth amendment right to respectfully decline to answer your skble there is general michael flynn, walking with oath keepers on december 12, 2020, and here is general flynn's testimony before our committee. >> did you, general flynn, talk to president trump, at any point on january 6th, 2021? >> the fifth. >> here is john eastman, fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protesters, that the vice president could change the election outcome on january 6th. later on this same day, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing, that donald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to assess public the conversation? >> yes. >> so is it your position you can discuss with the media direct conversations with the president of united s

we have had so many questions about the documentary that follows roger stone, ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. what do you think could be news we hear later today? guest: the committee said yesterday, and in my reporting over the previous weeks, they want to step back and take a wider look at threats to democracy as a whole in today's hearing. they want to chart how a lot of the ideas and strategies about overturning the 2020 election started in election day, 2020 20, then, progress through january 6 and continues now past january 6. in order to illustrate that, they want to use several different pieces of evidence. they will rely on six to eight minutes of documentary film evidence shot by a danish film crew that followed roger stone in the days and weeks leading up to election day and around january 6. they want to bring in people like michael flynn, trumps former national security advisor that was involved in this contentious 18th of december 2020 meeting where the participants were talking about seizing voting machines. they also want to focus on p

talk to us through where roger stone fits and more broadly to the january six narrative, the argument making here. >> well, i think stone is essential to what the generates likes committee is trying to unravel here. because, from the very, start this committee in this investigation have been trying to see if there is a direct line from the former president to the people who actually stormed the capitol. through people like roger stone, mike flynn, these top political operatives who are potentially serving as intermediaries. because we know that people like stone were talking to the proud boys and the oath keepers. in, fact on january six, the oath keepers where the personal security detail for roger stone. so, because of these connections, i think the january six committee is sitting there and in this report a wants to make this connection. i do know though that the committee doesn't have anything concrete that links stone directly to the january 6th attack. but i think what they're going to show is there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that stone was deeply involved in one way or

that leads me to roger stone. roger stone is one of those people who has been a consigliere of donald trump's for a long time. one of his roy cohn characters. here is roger stone and how he reacted when he realized trump doesn't care about any of these people. he certainly doesn't care about roger stone who has a lot of exposure and he didn't get a pardon which he wanted and a lot of the pr members of congress wanted. here is roger stone melting down. >> jared kushner has an iq of 70. he's coming to miami. we will eject him from miami very quickly. he'll be leaving very quickly. very quickly. he has 100 security guards, i'll have 5,000 security guards. you want to fight? let's fight. [ bleep ] you. [ bleep ] you and your abortionist daughter. >> so that is supposed to be his friend, kurt. when i saw that, the first thing i thought is how long before we get a video like that of kevin mccarthy. on january 6th, kevin mccarthy was also melting down like that, screaming at donald trump. yet, he's back to being a sycoph

trump pardoned roger stone on december 23rd, 2020. istopher gilbranson pursuant to a subpoena. right before the election here's roger stone talking about what president trump would do after the election. >> let's just hope we're celebrating. i suspect it'll be -- i really do suspect it'll be up in the air. when that happens the key thing to do is claim victory, possession is nine-tenths of the law. you're wrong. >> let's get right to the violence. >> it's important. >> the select committee called mr. stone as a witness but he invoked his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified? >> on the advice of counsel i respectfully decline to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. >> and mr. stone, did you have any role in planning for the violence on january 6th? >> once again, i will is assert my fifth amendment right to decline to answer your question. >> although we don't yet have all the relevant records of roger stone's communications, even stone's own s

. >> going back to what happened during the hearing, we talked about the roger stone video last week because it was put out before the hearing. to hear roger stone say f voting with a curse word, we are going straight to violence, what more did we hear about and what did we learn about the premeditated planning before november 2020 of trump and the people around him when it came to saying that election was stolen? >> the stone documentary was all part of the committee effort to show this plan, this plunge to contend election results to overturn the will of the voters was in the works even before election day. the committee showed this memo from the head of the conservative group judicial watch sending in propose language to the president about how he should declare victory. that is what we saw him do. had not necessarily been called yet, but we saw trump say he won the election. this is part of the committee's attempt to draw a line to show how it was a premeditated that ran from election day and the threat continues up through the present day. >> thinking about the threat, part of w

this week the committee will show video footage captured by some danish filmmakers of trump ally roger stoneling his associates to claim victory even if trump lost. to remind our viewers of some of that, let's watch a clip of that and then i'll ask you about it. >> excellent. [ bleep ]. get to the violence. shoot to kill. see an antifa, shoot to kill. i'm done with this bullshit. let's just hope we're celebrating. i really do suspect it will be up in the air. when that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. possession is nine-tenths of the law. we won. [ bleep ] you. we won. [ bleep ] you. >> congresswoman, are those clips going to be part of your press tagsz? >> i'm not going to preview the hearing, but certainly we will be reinforcing the evidence of ties between extremist and trump wo world, the plan which actually began prior to the election for the election to be seized even if they lost. honestly, this was a plot that began and was carried out with great intention by trump world including the president himself, utilizing violent extremists. >> what's your take on what roger

and a key to what you're saying about the oath keepers and trump will be roger stone.'ll hear about them. and the secret service. but the basic ideas is they want some new testimony, but they also want to do what you do in closing arguments, reenforce the main theme. here that's trump's connection to the violence that he knew about it, that he stoked it, that he stood by and watched it and that he apologized for it. that's what -- and that's what they are going to try to show tomorrow. >> so much has happened since their last hearing. the mar-a-lago raid, all of that. a lot of other things around the country, the world, the abortion decision. the election. so they have to refocus attention. they don't have any dramatic witnesses. they have some video. but they have been masterful at doing this before. this is critical point. they are running out of full-time. >> there will be no live testimony. and they have been masterful to date. what they have been really good at is just taking the low-hanging fruit ask not worrying about the rest. all they can do now really is reem

one unanswered question has been the extent to which the trump inside team, including roger stone werehe oath keepers and proud boys, and the oath keepers on trial for engaging in the preplanned violent attack, and we know there are connections between those groups and roger stone and michael flynn. that could tie conspiracy charges back to trump. we have seen suggestions of it, but if they have the evidence now is the time to show that to the world. and the ginni thomas information could be interesting. if it's something where she has a bizarre belief that donald trump won the election, and i don't think that gets you far in preventing that to the american people, but if you can show what she was communicating and advancing the scheme, then i think that could be powerful testimony. >> i want to read from your report from politico, and let me read you this. one e-mail between two of trump's lawyers a week before the january 6th attack saying this, a shame you are not in d.c. and could contribute to violation of the emoluments clause. what do you make of this, barb? >> i think there's t

roger stone. the head of the proud boys visited the white house. what they didn't say is he claims he went on the holiday tour like anybody else. somebody will have to ask how a guy with multiple felony convictions got on holiday tour after they ran his background. they were building that case that there were people on the ground who were answering to people who answered to trump. >> right. the question is, will that be enough? they come out today and do this vote. they want trump to testify. trump is out there saying, why did the unselect committee ask -- why didn't they ask me? why did they wait until the end? that's a question. people have been asking them for months. actually, a lot of people thought they were done and then they added another one. they are making their case. why did they wait? what's the strategy? >> erin, one thing the committee has been masterful at -- you referred to this when you asked john the question is making the case to the american people. this was the last bombshell. it's not unusual to wait until you have gathered e

we've seen roger stone saying we'll declare victory regardless of the results. steve bannon we heard him in october saying that was trump's plan. and then yesterday we saw an email from tom hinton, two senior members of the white house proposing talking points for the former president saying we had an election today and i won. creating a fictitious election day deadline. but that wasn't all in terms of the really damning evidence and testimony we saw yesterday. particularly with regard to trump's state of mind. aides like cassidy hutchinson saying they heard the president, directly and indirectly admit in private that he knew he lost. clarifying the fact that this was a lie he was pushing to his supporters. here's cassidy hutchinson talking to the former chief of staff mark meadows. he knows it's over, he lost but we'll keep trying. and then we have this clip cassidy hutchins speaking to the president yelling at mark meadows. >> he said something to the effect i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figure it out. i don't want people to

this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on the morning of january 6th. mr. stone testifying before our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on his private cell phone on january 5th or january 6th? >> once again, on advice of counsel, i will submit my fifth amendment right to respectfully decline to answer your question. >> this is general michael flynn walking with oath keepers on december 12th, 2020. and here is general flynn's testimony before our committee. >> did you, general flynn, talk to president trump at any point on january 6th, 2021? >> the fifth. >> here is john eastman fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protesters that the vice president could change the election outcome on january 6th. later on this same day, dr.'sman acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly on january 4th, 2021, conversation with him? fifth. >> so is it your position you won't discuss a conversat

in addition to this connection to president trump, roger stone maintained extensive direct connections to groups responsible for violently attacking the capitol. the oath keepers and the proud boys. >> members of the oath keepers and the proud boys had them charged with seditious conspiracy related to the riot. when question by the committees, stone, what did he do? he took the fifth. over and over. today's hearing also included new details about warnings the secret service received days, weeks before the attack! >> this email, for example, was an alert that the secret service received on december 24th, with the heading -- armed and ready, mister president. according to the intelligence, multiple users online were targeting members of congress. instructing others to march into the chambers, on january six, and made sure they know who to fear. the secret service was riding its security precautions for the presidents speech at the ellipse. a secret service deputy chief instructed agents to add certain objects to the list of items that would be prohibited at the rally site. including ball

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committee presented taped evidence from two of donald trump's closest supporters, steve bannon and roger stonenly talking about stealing the election before the vote had even been out north american editor sara smith has this report. as a violent mob stormed the capitol, trying to stop congress confirming joe biden as president, elected members were rushed to safety, shown here on this previously unseen footage. at the same time, according to witnesses, donald trump was watching the violence on tv from inside the white house and refusing to tell his supporters to back down. they said somebody was shot. it's just...just horrendous, and all at the instigation of the president of the united states. the committee has heard how the violence inside the capitol was inflamed by a trump tweet accusing his vice president, mike pence, of cowardice for not helping him overturn the election. the impact of that tweet was foreseeable and predictable. it further inflamed the mob, which was chanting, "hang mike pence," and provoked them to even greater violence. the vice president onlyjust escaped the mob, and

si sixth -- january 6 president trump instructed his chief of staff mark meadows to contact both roger stoneding what would play out the next day. ms. hutchinson, is it your understanding mr. meadows calle mr. stone on the fifth? >>> i'm under the impression that mr. meadows did complete both a call to mr. stone and general flynn the evening of th fifth pees and you know what they talked about that evening, misses hutchinson? >>> not sure. i feel like we don't know the full story on the proud boys an oathkeepers. i think that the committee is trying to get to the bottom of what was officials might have enough coordinate with unspoken the proud boys. so what did those relationships look like what were the lines o communication and why were they talking? pees if there is stuff we know we put some of it out. there's more depth that we will be putting up probably within the report in maybe within the next hearings. i think what is important is that he was going through the process of selling that the election was stolen, and then convincing folks that, overlooking if you believe that an election

it may cause some problems for trump ally roger stone.ence the film provided a text message that show that mr. stone saw a pardon in connection with the events of january 6th and maintain close relationships with the leaders of to far-right extremist groups, the proud boys and oath keepers. charlie what do you expect from this? are there developments that will come out of the hearing? >> that january six committee had a really strong summer. their hearings got more attention and more better receive than people thought they would be. they were really well done. they shape the conversation. and then they fell off the map and to the september and now october. part of that is because they haven't had hearings and revolutions. part of that is because there are other things happening. like the mar-a-lago search case with the classified documents. and committing things like that new york state generals. the electors case. so, i think as they try to wrap up, here they really are attempting to regain control of the narrative. they want to finish s

roger stone saying, i looed about a lot of thing sbis pushed the boundaries, but i was not involved in the violence. why couldn't he say that under snoet. >> absolutely. i say this all the time about mar-a-lago. could you imagine another president not being held to account on, why did you take the documents, why did you lie, and why -- there's been no explanation at all. i have been a criminal defense lawyer also. as a criminal defense lawyer what these people are doing is in their interest, which is you want to absolutely not say anything that could land you in jail. so what you're seeing in all of this sort of multiple invocations is good defense lawyering, which is don't make it worse in terms of your criminal case. >> right, appreciate you have that experience. you have been the kind of prosecutor that the trump folks, they used to attack you and more than any prosecutor by name. you have that prosecutorial background, but you're reminding us, yes, there is legal strategy here, and i've gone out of my way to afford it its place in the criminal side of this. a lot of this is the res

we've seen links between the oath keepers and proud boys and roger stone and mike flynn but we're not the plot. so i'm looking for. that also it is reported that we will hear more about the secret service messages that we're missing but now have been restored and over a million of them returned, turned over to the committee. you know, now they've had a chance to shift through those and share with us the highlights i will be curious to hear what is in them. remember we had cassidy hutchison tell the story about donald trump was quite insistent to go to the hospital, on january 6th. it seems like we've seen sort of shades about a plan, of a second rally, near the capitol, maybe on the steps of the supreme court, maybe they can shed some light on what was going on there. because that could tie donald trump to the activities at the capitol. so those are some things i will be looking for. >> certainly i will be looking as well. i know the secret service has asked for the agent's personal phones as well. they've been seized. we'll find out if any of that information shows up tomorrow during

roger stone talking, saying we are just going to take it and all of that. anyway, i think that he incited those rioters. they started calling pence a tr aitor. they love pence and then they called him a traitor and they were going to hang him? those are my thoughts. host: republican in new york. good morning. caller: good morning. all the elections would be all right if we used a paper ballot, fill in the dot and waited until each estate closed. and then start counting the votes. hillary clinton could have said she was ripped off. she was supposed to get 97% of the vote. just have all states be the same, take the time, fill in the dot and these problems will be solved. i did not watch any of the january 6 stuff. if donald trump runs again, i will be glad to vote for him. the the house in the senate, they said their friends on the others of the aisle. it is not true. they are not friends. republicans look at things one way. hillary clinton could have said she got robbed. people voted for john kennedy in 1960. fill in the dots in all 50 states and we will be

look at the roger stone case. the roger stone the sensing recommendation comes out from the prosecutor, the people are tried and convicted roger stone fully approved although sia's had to go in the justice department up to the u.s. attorney. that night donald trump tweeted this is an outrage, a miscarriage of justice and an hour later bill barr takes the unprecedented step of undermining his own prosecutors and then resigned from the case and/or from doj and in bill barr said i didn't know. i never saw the president tweet. i can't disprove that but i am very dubious of it. like the best mob bosses, donald trump doesn't have to call people in and say hey this is how i would like you to do things. there's an understanding. they get into a flow. there are instances where there are explicit coordination between the two but i think that's the closest analogy i can make to the mob world with their relationship. >> of course. one of the things, i don't want to give too much away of the books i'm going to stop pulling fro

reuters, quote, the government showed some evidence of communications between the oath keepers and roger stone that's an interesting shoe drop, stone a long time political adviser to trump. his involvement has a potential liaison between militia groups and the white house, and it's of great interest to all the various entities investigating the insurrection. all which is to say, we still have a lot more to learn from this trial, and it's only -- -- nestler promised the jurors would see, and what he previewed for them in opening statements is, we see the defendants breaching the capitol. we see the defendants in the capital. we hear of the defendants on tape, bragging about, quote, taking the capital. so, you know, no case is a sure thing. criminal litigators know that. but after i heard the openings, and after i heard the openings from the defense attorneys, three of the five defense attorneys shows to open. the other to reserve, which is unusual, but not unprecedented. defense attorneys don't have to open at the beginning of their case. what they can do is assess the government's case, and on

so when i saw, i felt prosecutors were going to seek a penalty on roger stone, by the way, i don't like roger stone, i think he is a jerk and i thought he violated the law and i think he should go to prison, myself, but heee did not deserve to go o prison for two-three times longer than other people go for that very same crime and that in what they were trying to deal. that came on my desk and want to came on my desk i was going to make the decision, i was not going to dodge it, i did what i thought was right. i did it because it is one standard of justice for everybody and the president friends are not treated differently. the presidents enemies are not treated differently. [applause] it seems that when you started each of your stents as attorney general, something big was going on. the russia investigation, can you talk a little bit about what typern of hornet nest that was o navigate as attorney general? >> i knew i was getting into a very highly charged situation. the left and their media allies which is essentially the same media had invested a lot, invested in the russia gait narr

reuters, quote, the government showed some evidence of communications between the oath keepers and roger stone that's an interesting shoe drop, stone a long time political adviser to trump. his involvement has a potential liaison between militia groups and the white house, and it's of great interest to all the various entities investigating the insurrection. all which is to say, we still have a lot more to learn from this trial, and it's only getting started. now, joining me now are two people who are in the courtroom during the oath keepers trial. today ryan reilly, justice reporter for nbc news, and glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor. he spent 30 years in the u.s. office in washington, d.c.. brian, let me start with you, just give us a little bit of a kind of scene setter here, what today was in court, and what you, who have reported on this as thoroughly as anyone learn today? >>, yeah, i mean the surprise twist here was those recordings, because we've seen a lot of these text messages, the sort of you don't know what to expect, it was all up to the jurors. in terms of what's public

this isn't something that's a surprise, that roger stone with the nixon tattoo might have something to and the individuals that were involved. and you know, when you see these individuals plead the fifth like flynn and stone and people like that, especially flynn, which really gets under my skin as a former military officer, just the lack -- when you talk about nonstandard, right, the lack of professionalism and the fact that he couldn't even own up to what he believed in as a former three star general. the people that were attracted to trump were grifters, scam artists, and people who didn't care about the truth. they were liars and they radicalized so many people and that's why january 6th happened because you had an administration that was irresponsible, dangerous, and they had no ability to grasp truth from, you know, credulous lies, just from idiocy. and sorry if i get a little bit emotional about this, but when you take an oath to defend the constitution, and you see this type of ridiculousness, and what i saw today about the afghanistan and how they crafted that, that actually s

this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on the morning of january 6. here's mr. stone testifying before our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on his private cell phone on january 5 or 6? >> once again, by advice of council, i will decline to answer your question on the fifth amendment. >> this is general michael flynn walking with oath keepers on december 12, 2020. here's general flynn's testimony before our committee. >> did you general flynn talk to president trump at any point on january 6, 2021? >> the fifth. >> here's john eastman, fraud leaptly instructing tens of thousands of angry protesters that the vice president could change the election outcome on january 6. later on this same day, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discussion publicly your january 4, 2021 conversation with him? >> fifth. >> is it your position that you can discuss conversations that you had with the president of the uni

we know about the communications between donald trump and roger stone and roger stone and extremists, right. but was there direct communication between any of these folks. number one, number two missing secret service messages there is still a lot of information that we don't know from text messages and emails that the secret service sort of disappeared and could be something far worse and subpoenas to members of congress, a number of members of congress got subpoenaed, they haven't been called before the justice department so we shall see. >> and the big question is will the justice department have a criminal referral. >> to refer or not to refer. that is the question. and, look, a criminal referral is important and big statement from congress that they think a crime was committed. to me it doesn't matter. the justice department is under no obligation to follow what congress said even if they recommend that crimes have been committed. it looks like they're going to probably in this report, i think they might lay out who committed crimes but at the end of the day it is on merrick garl

i think the fact that there was security being provided to roger stone the day before, i think we'renication was attempted, you know, through secret service possibly and possibly through the white house switchboard. >> do you know about any communication with the secret service? >> i don't. i mean i've been out of the game for five years. i only know what is being released. i did follow it pretty closely. >> want to play some sound from committee member adam schiff yesterday talking about new messages revealed between top president trump officials saying they got the base fired up an shared a link to violent comments from supporters about lawmakers leaving in body bags. let's take a listen. >> the committee has obtained a message that jeff miller sent to mark meadows less than a week before january 6. i got the base fired up. he wrote in all caps. he sent a link to this page on the donald.win. the page had comments about the joints session of congress on january 6. take a look at some of those comments. gallows don't require electricity. if the filthy comy maggettes pry to push throu

i want you to listen here to roger stone and steve bannon. >> i really do suspect it will still be up in the air. when that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. possession is nine-tenths of the law. you're wrong, [ bleep ] you. let's get right to the violence. >> the democrats -- more of our people vote early that count. theirs vote in may. they're going to have a natural disadvantage and trump's going to take advantage. that's our strategy. so when you wake up wednesday morning, it is going to be a firestorm. >> post election, were you aware of those conversations that we're just going to claim a w regardless of what's next? >> i was not aware of those conversations. i had, you know, left the building and been on the east wing. but it didn't surprise me. you know, in our administration, you just said and repeated over and over the version of the truth donald trump wanted. it doesn't matter if it was real or a lie. so i didn think the committee ws masterful at showing premeditation, not only with roger stone and bannon, but the fact they had that memo from tom feinten on

one of the other themes in addition to roger stone is what they've learned from the over million documents that have been turned over from the u.s. secret service. things like radio and microsoft teams and e-mail messages. they're lacking in those messages that they were not able to recover from specific agents around january 5th and 6th, but never the less, they should try and likely will, to bolster some of the claims about what secret service knew about january 6th, giving another avenue of informing what the former president may have been told not just by people in his inner orbit but also within the secret service. >> thank you so much for being with us. and now to the breaking news on the economy that we were just mentioning. inflation shows no sign of slowing down. the last inflation report before the midterm elections take a look at some of these numbers. shows that prices rose 8.2% between september 2021 and september 2022. with prices rising .4% last month alone. but prices are up across the board. take a look at this. if you're listening to us on radio, look just some of these n