you can connect it directly to andrew jackson because of his relationship with roger taney who authorshe dred scott decision. taney is on the supreme court because of andrew jackson. peter: as an aside it is spelled taney but pronounced tawney. throughout the book you give pronunciation. is that the teacher in you? sharon: it is. many times i read something in a book i checked out of the library but i never heard someone use the word in conversation so i would mispronounce the word when i would bring it up in conversation and people would have no idea what i was talking about. when a word is said in a unique fashion -- when i look at a word and i would think to myself here's how i would say it, i would sometimes -- i do this a handful of times in the book, i tell people how to say it correctly so they do not bring it up in conversation and embarrass themselves. they miss for a county in virginia. -- the same is true for a county in virginia. there are just a little gift to the reader if you don't now how taney is pronounced here you go. peter: you also write that statues of roger taney

chief justice roger taney ruled that president lincoln had violated the constitution by suspending the writ of habeas corpus. the right to challenge your detention. but that was during wartime, and congress later authorized what he was doing. and it was all 160 years ago. right. so this is this is new in modern history. i guess the biggest question that's left on the table is, are we already in a constitutional crisis? those two words. right. constitutional crisis. lawyers tend to be very cautious with their words. and they talk about the possibility of a crisis. but maybe maybe we already are in one. if the executive can ignore a court order with no real fallout, and this happens repeatedly, we're faced with a prospect of a very different system of government than the one we have, one in which the president is nearly a monarch. here's the truth the rule of law does not magically spring from the constitution. it's a social concept, a social consensus, and a very delicate one. it's an unwritten agreement among everyone in this country. generation after generation. that we and our govern