mark: roger tawney, also a bit of an enigma.ilified as the author of the dred scott decision that took away constitutional rights of black americans, or made it clear they had none. this is in the run-up to the civil war. -- in 1854. roger tawney also freed his own slaves in the 1820's and supported the amistad decision which was a famous slave ship that john quincy adams represented the rights and resulted in the release of the captives of the ship. so, one of the things about history is that it is never as simple as it is. and even tawney, he probably deserves some reconsideration. susan: in the war of 1812, was francis scott key a soldier? -- a civilian or had he enlisted as a soldier? mark: he was a quartermaster in the militia defending georgetown and then in a battle one month before the attack on fort mchenry when british troops marched almost unopposed into washington dc and desecrated the federal buildings of the city, burning the capital and the president's home and the navy yard's and patent office, he was running mes