john dingell, tom davis, a very gifted republican congressman --om virginia, russia rush holt, roger wicker. i think this was a defensive move on the part of the house under the guise of the 3/10 of saving money -- did gui -- the guise, pretense of saving money paid the humiliation of republicans in 2006 when it was revealed that mark foley was making overtures to mail pages became an issue in the campaign of 2006 and hurt republicans. i think the bank thought there was no upside. -- i think it they thought there was no upside. >> mark friehling, standing, the bank are keeping pages in the senate -- mark foley not withstanding, they are keeping pages in the senate. >> we can wax -- >> silly convention. >> you can wax nostalgic about this. i'm not sure is a major issue facing our country. pages were around in the day when you send messages by hand. we have e-mail now. you might even try the u.s. mail. i guess is nice to have a & pouring coffee, but i am not sure it is essential for the state of the union. >> great experience, and electricity cannot bring you a drink in the late afternoon. >>