roger stone is a focus. question is was roger stone somehow a link between the trump campaign and wikileaks, russian intelligence, et cetera. that seems to be where mueller has put a lot of his effort in recent weeks. >> very interesting. gloria, i want to read one of the e-mails "new york times" got a hold of from october 3rd, 2016, just before the election. one of steve bannon's breitbart employees asked assange, what's he got. hope it's good. stone replied, it is. then he encouraged him to follow-up, saying clearly, he, roger stone, knows what assange has. what do you make of it? >> and let me finish the loop here because then steve bannon yee e-mailed and said i have important stuff to work out. seems like he was dismissive of stone. people in the campaign didn't know what to make of roger stone. one thing ni know from my reporting is roger stone it talk to the president, he presented himself as somebody i believe who knew a lot about wikileaks and when they would release certain things and what they wou

you have to ask roger. >> you know roger stone at the center of this.is an adviser to donald trump and that was hot information that proved to be true. you would expect he would tell trump rather than keep that from trump. >> when i figured out it was podesta i told stone and i told about everybody i knew and i knew it would help donald trump and i was happy to do that. i was speculating but i was sure i was right. >> is it accurate to say you expected roger to tell trump? >> i didn't -- look, logically should i have expected it? yes, of course. >> yes, you did. >> well, no, you asked me -- i didn't know -- see, you're asking me questions about somebody else's state of mind and i can't answer those questions. >> the expectation, sir, would be your state of mind. you thought it would help trump, roger is a trump adviser, roger came to you with a special request. this is not everyday business. roger came to you with a request, have someone as an intermediary in london go to assange, then you come back, give them this hot intel about podesta which proves t

and roger stone has stated again and again that he and roger stone did not start wikileaks. what all this does is give us a glimpse into what line of questioning or what line of investigation mueller and his team are pursuing. we also know that trump said he never discussed wikileaks with stone and he wasn't aware of the june 26th trump tower meeting. if mueller has evidence to contradict that, that would be a big, big problem for president trump because we won't know until mueller shows his cards. >> well, to an extent he has shown some of his cards. that is what is so different about this week. that is why it is more than nuggets. we have been discussing this off camera for more than a day. but the mueller team has told us they have evidence about this discussion between roger stone and jerome corsi about the e-mails and about contacts with wikileaks. we have seen in the document that they have connected roger stone in writing to the president of the united states, then candidate donald trump. and we know from our reporting that that so unnerved the president and his legal

roger was furious. trump is giving me problems about getting roger hired.r salary to make sure roger could get hired. roa roger leaked. my position, get corey lewandowski removed. he screwed me. i want him out. our position was, why not, what about manafort? and that's when we started thinking about it. >> two things. first of all the president has not turned any questions. don't assume. >> he's been busy. what he said. >> second of all, i don't know we should assume bob mueller is close to ending. we're also getting that from sources coming from the white house, but this notion, you keep hearing from the trump side that because they're inept, because they're the gang that can't conspire straight that it's okay. it is not okay for don jr., george papadopolos, roger stone, to send these lies everywhere. >> if a leal, not okay, didn't want to, hate to do it, it's not okay -- >> you're prepared to. >> no. i haven't and haven't done it where i could have on the panel before. it's not okay for your campaign to pay for information on donald trump, which is what y

roger stone still insists he's done nothing wrong. >> wolf, can i just add one point about roger stone. evan made an illusion to this. there's a technical legal term for roger stone. he's a bs artist. he lies to everybody. he boasts. he tells stories. that may actually help him. he may actually be saying, oh, come on, i was just puffing, i didn't really know what was going on with wikileaks, and if you know roger stone as i do, it is entirely possible that he was just boasting and he didn't know what was going on, and that's an overlay to all these e-mails and these conversations that the mueller office, which certainly knows -- knows who roger stone is at this point, will have to where. >> evan, here's what some lyle experts who are knowledgeable that perhaps is roger stone the ultimate target or are they squeezing him in this way and he cooperates and ghe to a higher up? >> that's an interesting theory. obviously we know that under justice department rules the president can't be charged and that's the ultimate end game if you are looking for a bigger. wolf, i think if, if the special

i want to start with roger stone first. you have a knunique relationshi with roger stone.s his relationship with the trump campaign? >> roger stone's history goes back for 30 years, and he worked with him long before we started a campaign or i ever met mr. trump. when i came to the trump organization to look at him potentially running for president, we launched a campaign, and roger stone, i ultimately fired at about august of 2015 and he was not around the campaign very much, he worked through sam, and by august or september of 2015 i also fired sam. >> why did you fire roger stone? >> he was not doing anything in the campaign and he was living in florida -- i don't know what he was doing to be honest, and he had no value so i did not want to pay somebody not doing anything. >> he continued to talk to the president, correct? >> a 30-year relationship was in place, and did they have conversations after i fired him, they did, and it was limited in scope when i was near. >> when you would hear then candidate donald trump was speaking to roger stone, what would your reaction

>> well, i think it certainly is significant for roger stone. question becomes what was roger stone's connection to the campaign, to the president, to the upper reaches of the campaign? roger stone, you know, issued a public statement somewhere back along in the fall saying something to the affect of wait until you see what is going to come out on podesta. he is on record as having some knowledge about what is going on with wikileaks. i think you have to go back and make -- connect some of the dots earlier, and we we know is the russian intelligence agencies stole these e-mails and downloaded them to wikileaks and wikileaks became as part of that, how did those e-mails become a way to influence the american public, and that's russia's intention. the questioner asking, what was the connection, if any, between the campaign and wikileaks in terms of the timing or magnitude of the releases of the e-mails that took place in early september and october of 2016. that's all public information, john. i will not talk to you about what our committee is fin

roger ales. willie horton, roger ales, fox news. donald trump.t is the genesis of it. >> aaron, you've written about all these -- what do they call it, centrifugal circles. >> i think the difference sheer that this is something that the president is attaching his name to. as the other guests have mentioned, the horton ad was something people distanced themselves from. the bush campaign spent 25 days, i think it was, basically trying to play this off, not denouncing it but not accepting it. they waited until it was almost done. the other aspect that is really important is, the immigration rhetoric from the president. there's this narrative out there that while it's ugly and it's gear based and it may not be pretty that it's going to tee up republicans to go vote. that it is going to work. so maybe it's not pretty but it actually works. i think we're going to find out in this election more so than a lot of other elections whether those fear-based attacks can actually kind of thwart a really bad environment because that's really kind of polar opposi

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roger stone is vehemently denying all of this. in a statement to cnn, he says it is pure unadulterated bs. why would i ask him to contact assange, who even today he does not know logical or true. so, wolf, this is what investigators are still sifting through, a reminder. still no charges against jerome corsi. still no charges against roger stone. >> thank you, sarah murray, for reporting. >>> now to the breaking news that paul manafort, bombshell report he held secret meetings with the wikileaks investigation tonight. jessica snyder is here with us. this new report, it potentially is very explosive despite the denials. >> a lot is swirling. first, robert mueller's team, they accused manafort of lying ending this plea deal in the works two months now. of course, the "guardian" issued that explosive report that manafort met with assange multiple times him paul manafort and wikileaks have issued strong denials. any connection can be a major development into special counsel's probe into collusion. tonight, a secret report between wiki

roger stone is uncontrollable in that respect.hat's problematic for stone here, potentially, is that in the russia hacking indictment that mueller brought, mueller said that there was a u.s. person who was in connection, who was in connection with the investigation, coordinating between the trump campaign and guccifer 2, the organization that hacked. that person is roger stone, self-acknowledged by stone. so if corsi can participate in the fleshing out of that information, maybe it's detrimental to stone's legal interests. equally, though, it could be that corsi has nothing to add. he's just flat out lied to mueller, and mueller doesn't -- and he's going to be charged like george papadopoulos and all the others in one count of lying to mueller. >> but there could be some critical information that ties a lot of this together, which that really is something we have not seen at this point in the investigation up until now. >> exactly. stone to corsi all have some connection to wikileaks, the organization that distributed the hacked e

neither did roger stone.o if trying to access information that people might have, andut you like politics, d you like one candidate more than her and then another, that in every media. in 2016, every paper, news organization accessed the wikileaks documents surrounding the stolen podesta e-mails. just like the d.n.c. ones. many included the "new york times." they actually provided direct links to the leaked e-mails inside of their articles. they did what wikileaks did. similar situation, let's take you back. "hannity" history lesson. 1971 is the year. "new york times" published a top secretk federal report of the vietnam war, it's called "the pentagon papers." the report was stolen. given to "times" by federal employees. other news outlets subsequently published the papers. the supreme court upheld the media's right to publish the stolen "pentagon papers" in aa 1971me ruling 6-3 majority ruling. oh, well, they didn't steal or conspire to steal it. okay. it wasn't ruled wrong by the supreme court. there is the

roger, jump. and roger jumped and his father stepped away and roger fell on the ground. and his father looked down on him and said don't trust anybody. >> it sounds so dramatic and allison i wonder whether that legend went around fox as sort of this is who roger ailes is. >> well, it's interesting, he told me a different legend about his childhood. he told me that he was in a hospital bed and that he overheard doctors telling his parents that he might not survive. and he told me very tearfully, i mean, in a heart felt moment -- roger could get quite emotional -- that no kid should ever have to hear that. and he told me that he decided there and then that if he did live, and if he did survive, he would fight every single day. and that's what taught him to fight. but what is important to say is alexis figured out in making this movie was that that tale that he told about the jumping off the bed is one of these tales of the mythologizing that he started to do about his own childhood and about himself

now, roger stone is insisting that this is patently false, in a very colorful roger stone statement, he said, it is pure unadulterated, unmitigated bs. and why would i ask him to contact assange, who even today he says he does not know. neither logical or true. wolf, this is what investigators are having to dig through, these conflicting version of events from these two gentlemen. >> lots to work on for mueller and his team, though. no doubt. sara murray, good reporting. thank you very much. even as the special counsel says he broke his plea deal by lying, the former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, is denying a new report that he secretly met multiple times with the wikileaks founder, jewulia a assangemarquardt. what's the latest on this front? >> this is an explosive report that comes for paul manafort who is currently in solitary confinement. "the guardian" newspaper put out this report. they are alleging that manafort has known jewulian assange for years, since well before the 2016 campaign and as manafort was coming on the campaign, he met with assange again in london, a

i'll quote roger stone. toobin that his personal motto -- roger stone's personal motto is admit nothing, deny everything, launch counter attack. that's what we see him doing here. this is the way people go after cooperating witnesses when they're afraid. i've seen this dance a thousand times. before things go bad, corsi, stone, hand-in-hand, plotting, working with wikileaks. as soon as stone sees the writing on the wall, it's a tack corsi claimed the prosecutors are leaning on him. >> to underscore, if people are just tuning in, this jerome corsi is not a household name. roger stone has become one. it's like the hawks who have been circling roger stone. what kind of information could corsi give the mueller team that could lead them on a path toward roger? >> so stone in all the sort of assorted personalities around him are central to the link between wikileaks, publishing the e-mails and the campaign. and stone has made all sorts of noise about who is doing it, was it corsi, they're all pointing at each othe

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as roger has indicated, cooper v. aaron is a very first time the court articulated this myth, and it -- in doing so, it spelled out a pseudohistory that you think would get someone a flunking grade in a high school history course. here's what it had to say. in 1803, chief justice marshall, speaking for a unanimous court, referring to constitution as the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, all good so far, declared that it is emphatically the province and constitute of the judicial department to say what the law is. that's all correct so far. of course, it strips out the very context in which we made this statement, which is simply to say, because the courts must determine what the law is, they have to give supremacy to the constitution over ordinary laws. this decision, he goes on, declaring the basic principle that the federal judiciary is supreme in exposition of the law of the constitution. there's not one in marbury versus madison that supports that claim. and he goes on. that principle has ever since --

>> they wanted to know why was roger stone -- was roger fired. they wanted to now how oftin end they communicate. what was his involvement with getting paul manafort fired. roger had a lot of problems with the campaign in terms of personal grievances. >> we we know mueller has asked for more time for status report to the court and we know that he was helped into the position of chairman of the campaign by roger stone. >> i got to get in some georgia news. real quick. >> the idea that sam is acknowledging the question is whether or not roger stone was really fired from the campaign is really critical because what it looks like is that was a ruse for him to go underground and be in a spot where he had plausible deniability that wouldn't be related to the campaign. >> i don't know that the public facts go that far but they support some exposure. donald trump keeps in touch with people long after they leave the official campaign or government payroll. thank you both. >>> maya comes back for a very special supreme fall back friday. >>> we have breakin

the plot may thicken if there is an indictment to the associate of roger stone.tine and dave. >>> thank you, jessica. will she or won't she? nancy pelosi duking it out to try to become the next speaker of the house. sources say a group of pelosi detractors plans to circulate a letter who are against pelosi regaining the speaker's gavel. they are trying to recruit a challenger, but no one has stepped up. >> defending pelosi is more than a dozen house democrats pushing for her to be the speaker in the new congress. in the letter, pelosi writes we need to be unified and find common ground, but stand our ground when we must. >>> all right. "toy story" fans, pixar released the next toy for "toy story 4." who is the new character? we get a check of cnn business next. my name is jeff sheldon, and i'm the founder of ugmonk. before shipstation it was crazy. it's great when you see a hundred orders come in, a hundred orders come in, but then you realize i've got a hundred orders i have to ship out. shipstation streamlined that wh the order data, the weights of , everything

he shared it with roger stone, but roger stone said he didn't share that information. it seems like this is an important link. >> it is important. robert mueller's investigators have been looking to see if anyone associated with the trump campaign had advance knowledge of what wikileaks was going to do. the fact that he told associates before the october document dump that this could happen certainly raised eyebrows. he said well, this was a theory based on the fact that when wikileaks revealed the e-mails and as you recall that were hacked, they didn't include john podesta. i was piecing it together that they would likely release his e-mails. that is what he told other media outlets. the team is very interested in this and the fact that they are in plea negotiations is a big development. that could fall apart. just because they are in talks t doesn't mean they could end. >> they have gone back and forth. when you look at this, what does it tell you about where the mueller investigation may be headed? >> it certainly tells me the mueller investigation is going full ste

roger and ed, thank you very much for participating, and roger, the first few minutes is yours. >> thank you, tom, and thank you to the heritage foundation for sponsoring this role of the judiciary branch seminar. i also want to thank my nemesis ed whelan for stepping up on short notice when frank had a fallout. ed and i have debated in this position over the years and he hasn't minded a bit. she said based on what she read, she wasn't sure whether i took the affirmative side of this question. and she was right to wonder that, because as i told her, i'm not an absolutist on the question of judicial supremacy. in fact, the more i've thought about it since then, the more i've come to appreciate how complicated and unresolved any of the questions it raises. so let me start by saying that only a fanatic would take the absolutist view on judicial supremacy that's found in our proposition, and i'm not a fanatic. there are rare times when presidents and congress must ignore courts. there are a few lines from jefferson to jackson to lincoln to more, each of which to me seemed legitimate. i am ce

i think what roger -- >> what's the case. >> roger refers to as chaos.the healthy tension among the separated powers, and i think rule of law may not be the right term to apply to acquiescence to a supreme court decision that is incompatable with the constitution. >> at that point i hob hobbs union and want to avoid world -- >> time for one or two more questions. young lady right there. >> thank you. mr. roger, you would -- thank you for cussing the nearness and the word oppression that the founders thought to protect against being merely oppressive, and for discussing in depth and venturing into that about how -- excuse me -- about how to actually talk about uncertainties in the doctrines and in our decisions in the judiciary branch. is there a doctrine in place? are there now in the modern interpretation 0 the constitution now continuations of that concern that our founding fathers had when they discussed at some time in the future there would be a consensus that would make our supreme while the land seemed nearly oppress receive. >> make the supreme l

this is what roger stone says.one can see from his recent videos and recent videos, my friend, dr. corsi, has been under a tremendous amount of pressure and it is beginning to affect him profoundly. he has stated publicly he is being asked to say over and over to say things he simply does not believe occurred. i am not aware of any plea talks involving dr. corsi. he's an vinvestigative journalit whose activities i would think would be largely covered under the first amendment. as for what he may have known and when he may have known it, his discussions to me regarding the podesta brothers were related to the overseas business interests unearth notre dain th papers. to my best recollection, there was no one publication, mainstream or otherwise that ever mentioned john podesta's e-mail prior to their posting by wikileaks. as i told "the washington post," if dr. corsi new john podesta's e-mails had been obtained by anyone and would be published, he never shared this information with me, nor did he give me any such doc

they wanted to know why was roger stone -- was roger, in fact, fired. they wanted to know how often did they communicate, they wanted, what was his involvement with getting paul manafort hired. what was roger's relationship with the campaign, what did he tell you? look, roger had a lot of problems with the campaign in terms of personal grievances. things like that. >> let's remember, this is an important point that sam just made. we know that mueller has asked and paul manafort's attorneys have asked for more time for their status report to the court, and we know that he was, in fact, helped into the position of chairman of the campaign by roger stone. >> i got to get in some georgia news. real quick. >> the idea that sam is acknowledging the question was whether or not roger stone was really fired from the campaign is really critical, because what it looks like is, that was a ruse for him to go underground and be in a spot where he had plausible deniability that wouldn't be related to the campaign. >> i don't know that the public facts go that far but

>> roger has been amending his story from day one on this.n fact, late this afternoon the washington post filed a really nice piece kind of cataloging his story as it's been amended. this is another amendment because he denied talking to anybody in the campaign and he said, oops, you know, i didn't even remember i had an e-mail exchange with ben in this claim. so roger is hard to take at face value, frankly. >> so, john, even if stone -- let's just say he was exaggerating his ties to wikileaks. if campaign officials believed that, does that show that they intended to conspire, and that it's illegal? >> it certainly can. coconspirators don't have to tell each other truthful stories or the world truthful stories. in fact, it happened in watergate. many people were saying different things. different people we know today, from hindsight, were motivated by different reasons. you can still come together as a conspiracy, in fact, not even known the other conspirators. the beauty of conspiracy law, hearsay is relevant. it can come into any prosecutio

so now the key question is, what, if anything, did roger stone know?viously are well aware of his contacts with julian assange and wikileaks. and was roger stone, in fact, acting as some sort of conduit between the trump campaign and moscow. because that really cuts at the heart of this. and that would have, of course, been some evidence of some sort of collusion, and particularly what did roger stone, a long-time political adviser to the president, tell then candidate trump about his contacts with the russians? >> and gloria, michael cohen, the president's long-time fixer, and lawyer -- >> former fixer. >> worked very closely with him. we see some video of his criminal defense attorney. there he is, they're leaving union station, heading back to new york after spending several hours here in washington. i'm sure they weren't sight-seeing. i'm sure they were doing something. and despite the fact it's veterans day, a federal holiday, about eight of mueller's lawyers were over at the justice department, working today. >> yeah, they're working. and look, w

a follow-up from roger stone. also basically saying it is -- i would tell bannon but he doesn't call me back. and then he says "my book on the trump campaign will be out in january." and then finally on october 4th steve bannon e-mails roger stone, asking him "what was this morning?" and that was in reference to a press conference that julian assange had held and then of course roger stone replying "fear. serious security concern. he thinks they are going to kill him and the london police are standing done." which we actually think he means down. >> shimon, let me ask you. just the first one. the first one is actually from boyle to stone. right? >> that's right. >> and then stone replies to boyle. and then bannon replies to stone after he says he can't get in touch with bannon. >> yeah. >> sorry. go on. >> what's interesting here, don is we know steve bannon was in to see the mueller team on friday and he was presumably asked about these e-mails and other concerns about his contact with roger stone. what's not cle

the times ran a story today and roger stone ran an op-ed in some publications. what is new in this story? >> we're learning for the first time that steve bannon, then the campaign chairman was essentially directly in touch with roger stone about the wikileaks e-mail releases days before wikileaks started dumping the podesta e-mails. that day was the same day, minutes after the access hollywood tape was released by "the washington post." what's really important for mueller to understand here, and i think what he's trying to get at, is whether or not that was a coordinated release, whether or not the campaign now knowing that roger stone apparently had this line into wikileaks and julian assange and knew that e-mails were coming then coordinated in some way so that if something damaging came out about trump in days before the election then wikileaks and the e-mails that had been hacked by the russians could respond appropriately. >> october 7th, of course, an hour after "the washington post" publishing the access hollywood tape, the first -- happens. coincidence.

the big fish here is roger stone. it's not jerome corsi. it's not credico, it's roger stone. so we'll have to wait and see whether this is something that's going to actually come to fruition and whether that's what he's edging towards here. we just don't know yet. >> the other development today, and it's curious and potentially very significant, all of a sudden michael cohen joined not by his family on this veterans day but by his criminal defense attorney, they're on the train from new york to washington. he's seen getting off at union station, spending hours here and taking a late afternoon train with his lawyer back to new york. we also know that what several of mueller's lawyers were working today on this federal holiday. they're supposed to be off. >> you can imagine he wasn't hanging out with his criminal defense lawyer for nothing on a federal holiday. he wouldn't answer any questions when reporters asked him what he was doing here, what he was planning on saying to mueller's team. he declined everything. he said he was having a nice ride. but obviously we've been wait

roger going back to july and august may have led him on. >> so corsi's impression is roger wants himo help mitigate the fallout of the tape. roger called it pure unadult unadulterated bs. this is one of the incidents investigators were asking corsi about. roger stone tweeted time in a barrel and said it was all about the business dealings. jerome corsi provided him the research that was the basis of the tweet. corsi says the tweet came first. here is how he described roger's interaction with him about the tweet. >> what i recall is roger said i have done this tweet i think august 21. he said pudisodesta will have h time in the barrel. roger was say yg want you to help me figure out a way to make it sound like i didn't know these were podesta's e-mails that assange has. >> roger stone denies that this is how it all went down. jerome corsi said it is old fashioned politicking. you create a narrative to cover something up. the investigators he says were very interested in it. >> this is not what old fashioned politicking might look like. really appreciate it. a lot to try to dive throug

stone and steve bannon, communication which roger stone denied, vehemently denied.uesday he told the "washington post" there are no such communications and if bannon said they are, he would be desepl bling. >> the special counsel's theory of the entire case is conspiracy to defraud the united states and they have shown that by the indictments by the russian intelligence officers who were trying to defraud the united states out of a fair election. that's the big umbrella. there's another subset of things whether roger stone facilitated some of the hacking, and that seems less likely, but if he falls under the broad conspiracy under the efforts to defraud the united states that would be a charge in and of itself. what is interesting is this is the connection to the campaign and there's no way the trump campaign can somehow disavow steve bannon, he was an integral part of the campaign. these particular communications seem to be being released by stone himself, and so these are probably the communications that perhaps put him in the most favorable light. it's most likel

trump and roger stone. let's discuss this with our political analyst, david gregory, and nia-malika henderson, and jeffrey toobin. jeffrey -- >> yes, ma'am. >> he is saying everything is on the table with president trump all the time. do you think this is real and might actually happen? >> absolutely. absolutely. this is an incredibly inappropriate thing to say. whether it's actually an obstruction of justice or part of an impeachable offense, you know, that requires greater analysis and knowledge of the full facts but the fact that he is telling paul manafort in effect, hang in there, you don't have to cooperate and you don't have to worry about mueller because you may be getting a pardon is wildly, wildly inappropriate. >> s >> it is different, i will note it's different the way the president answered the question up until two days ago. >> that's not the way the post posed the question. >> well, could you say this is not something that we talked about at all, or he could say, yes, it's off the table. thos

roger stone doesn't think so.e issued a statement today blaming steve bannon or an associate of steve bannon who used to be an associate of roger stone for just giving these e-mails, offering them to "the new york times." roger stone said bannon or his hatchet man sam nunberg, who used to be stone's hatchet man, leaked this e-mail exchange to the various media outlets. now, this program has no history of trafficking in stolen e-mails. i did not read the e-mails that north korea stole from sony studios when other media in this country was trafficking in those stolen e-mails and falsely calling them hacked e-mails instead of the fruit of an international crime, which is what they were. the news media has actually never stopped to consider what our standards should be for handling and talking about stolen e-mails. and so during the presidential campaign the e-mails stolen from the democrats were constantly being read aloud on television and they were being referred to as hacked e-mails. the words stolen weren't used

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he got the par and we won and i said this is roger staubach. i hope you remember that, roger. exciting. roger and maryann, his wife of 53 years, have generously supported thousands of americans in need, including students, military families and our truly great veterans, so helpful. roger, you inspire americans across the country to work hard, dream big and always push on to victory. roger became a great financial success, very successful businessman after his football career. his family is with us for this special ceremony. maryann and their five children, jennifer, michelle, stephanie, jeff and amy. please stand up. please. please stand up. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. our next medal of freedom recipient is american football legend and he was indeed a legend. he was tough. strong. and minnesota's supreme court justice he became a supreme court justice also. he's only never vous with the u.s. supreme court justices. justice alan page. very special man. a college football hall of famer. alan helped notre dame secure the national championship i

you know we have joe concha he is they were media reporter for the hill and in nashville we cross to roger simon he is an award winning novelist and academy award nominated screenwriter as well as co-founder and c.e.o. americas of p.j. media all right gentlemen crossed the rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate joe let me go to you first here i guess i can pick the easiest example the dueling match we saw with jim acosta and president trump here i mean what is the state of journalism and i'm not let light letting either guy off the hook at least at this point here but what does that tell us about journalism today journalism today i would say has become a matter of many more opinions being put into reporting which is leading to mistrust by viewers and by audiences and jim acosta is a good example of that jim openly debates the president on certain issues he takes a side and then decides to become the captain of the debate team during press briefings like we saw last week and eventually becomes a confrontation where after every press briefing whethe

roger stone is questioning about all of this. corsi said he expected to be charged with perjury after being interviewed. he is siting the belief that the moon landing was staged. corsi pushed it after president obama released his birth certificate. the new york times says corsi caught the attention at the time who reached out to him for his own attacks on president obama. corsi worked with alex jones driving the 9/11 movement and a range of other conspiracies. let me ask you, first of all, i have gone through the history there, something roger stone has said is corsi is under a great to deal of pressure. what are the calls like? what is it like to speak with him about this and all of these other issues he seems to care so much else about? >> he is a character. he feels like he is under enormous amount of pressure. so he is feeling the heat right now and part of his response to that is to call me and to go to to his you tube show and say he is concerned about being indicted for perj rhode isla indict indicted for perjury. he is ab

and roger stone responds, a load every week going forward. this was a reference to wikileaks and e-mails that might be coming forward. the truth is that wikileaks was saying some of this stuff publically. so it is not clear whether roger indeed had any kind of in with wikileaks, jim. it is clear that he was trying to set himself up as someone that had that kind of access. roger stone nowadays says he was just bluffing. he was just full of it. that's the problem with whether or not mueller can bring charges on this. if you were to ask me is roger stone going to get indicted, i don't know. roger stone seems to think he will and certainly we know that once the -- once the midterms are passed, we know we're going to hear again from mueller. so we shall see. >> thanks very much. there were a lot of other times that roger stone claimed to have advanced knowledge. >> exactly. so what does mueller believe of what he said. jeff, what is so fascinating? i remember interviewing roger stone the day after the president, you know, basically cutoff working

thank you. [ applause ] thank you to roger. i've always thought of you as my friend and sometimes spine partner. i will begin by noting that roger has conceded the debate. [laughter] it has shifted to a very different topic. i will nonetheless address the basic question that is presented here. that is the proposition that i have been testing that they are required to obey the supreme court interpretation of the constitution. this is not a position that roger is a reason. he says it is a cultural norm. we may have a lot of agreement there that we will explore later but there are a lot of people in this legal culture who profess critically the position that the supreme court expresses. also the myth of judicial supremacy pervades our legal culture. so there is a legal obligation it is nearly a question of what the supreme court has had to say or a difference of the usual rule or even a rule of prudence. it treats the adjective supreme which is not necessarily the supreme institute of the federal judiciary but the supreme overall

>>> does robert mueller know about trump associate roger stone? new court documents just obtained by cnn. >>> and president trump says he has a high level of intelligence, and still his gut instincts are better than anyone's brain. >>> we can go forward, and we're not looking back. >> a republican win in last night's senate runoff with the balance of power in the house continuing to turn blue. >>> plus, how a party stunt gone wrong sparked an $8 million disaster. >>> good morning, everyone, welcome to "early start." i'm dave briggs. christine romans getting a late start. she'll be along shortly. it's wednesday, november 28th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. an extraordinary interview with the "washington post" coming up in a bit. we start with the russia investigation. a clearer picture this morning what robert mueller may know about trump confidante roger stone's effort to get documents from wikileaks. cnn obtained court documents apparently written by mueller's office. they cite emails between stone and his associate, right-wing author jerome corsi