look at roger making that claim. >> my name is roger stone and i'm an agent provocateur. stone's rule, it's better to be infamous than never be famous at all. stone's rule. >> i have to ask you, has that proven to be true for him? did that prove true in court today? >> well, roger has always liked the circus and he's always fashioned himself a tough guy, a dirty trickster who gets away with stuff. that's all well and fine but not in a federal criminal case it's not about the spin. it's about right and wrong. and he's at the heart of portions of mueller's case. he helped amplify the russian disinformation during the 2016 campaign, their denials they were involved in hacking. he believed it and circulated that. why was he colluding with them on that? and the key question in the case -- and you covered this -- is why did he tell the world randy credico was his go between with wikileaks when it was jerome corps zi. >> corsi. >> did it work for him. this idea that it's great to get press no matter what? >> no, and i wonder if this hearing did him a favor in pointing out that y

roger:? roger: it wasn't really called that per se, that was a name khrushchevally by after they launched the first satellite. had an alphanumeric system they used for designating these things until they were launched. the americans did the same thing. they would name them as they publicly described what they were doing. the famous satellite that went into space on the 1957, wasoctober of really something they came up with after the fact. it made such a big splash. initially, the russians didn't make much out of it, but when such ade -- when it made big splash, they played it for all the top again novelli and had. host: how was it living at that time? roger: i had no firsthand knowledge of sputnik. have studied and a lot, have a pretty clear understanding of what reactions were. everybody recognized. a new age had begun. we usually think of sputnik as, oh my gosh, we are so far behind the russians. that did happen, but not for a few weeks. the majority of americans were very interested in wha

roger: they had a big rocket. the irony in the context of that big rocket, they built it as a ballistic missiles so they could send a nuclear war had to the united states and blow us up. we were planning to do the same to them, but we had the capability to miniaturize our weapons. they didn't have quite that same capability, so they had to build a bigger booster which enabled them to launch payloads into space and into orbit before we could do so. steve: why do they call it the sputnik program? roger: it wasn't really called that per se, that was a name attached really by khrushchev after they launched the first satellite. they had an alphanumeric system they used for designating these things until they were launched. the americans did the same thing. they would name them as they publicly described what they were doing. sputnik 1, the famous satellite that went into space on the fourth of october of 1957, was really something they came up with after the fact. it made such a big splash. initially, the russians didn

roger is a character. but roger -- i don't know if you know this or not, roger wasn't on my campaign except way at the beginning. >> roger wasn't on my campaign is the quote. another way to say that is roger was on trump's campaign, and a role big enough that it made news when he exited in the summer of 2015. trump claimed to have fired him. the he showed up in his filings with the fec as filings on his payroll. he attended two trump weddings as well as the funerals of his parents and worked as a lobbyist for his casinos and they parted ways this the past only to reunite. that same story noted, quote, years ago i fired him and then he came back, mr. trump said. so this is a thing they've done for a while. here you can see stone this weekend at a women for trump event at trump's own d.c. hotel where he drew a kind of a hero's welcome and a chance to speak from the stage. [ cheering and applause ] >> we love you, roger! >> i will put up a vigorous defense, and i will plead not guilty. >> as for the interplay

the president says he never spoke to roger stone about wikileaks. we know from the mueller indictment that a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone. how important is roger stone to the collusion portion of the russia investigation? >> i think he is evidence of that collusion. what is striking is the timing of these matters. let's remember that the indictment alleges that the senior adviser reached out to someone to contact roger stone. let's see what wikileaks is up to and what else they have. at about the same time that candidate trump was asking the russians to go after hillary clinton's e-mails. right? the fact that mr. stone also seemed to know that mr. podesta was next in the barrel, he seemed to know all these things ahead of time. then later denied it when it was embarrassing to him and the president of the united states. >> the senate intelligence committee has seen rortds shrec was not president trump who donald trump junior was talking to on a blocked numd befo eed n trump tower meeting. have you seen any evidence on

roger stone.let him talk, he's going to get in trouble. i don't think a cheetah changes its stripes. facing potential incarceration before your trial may be the thing that scares roger stone into not being roger stone. he didn't do the nixon victory sign walking out of the courtroom. that could be -- maybe that speech, maybe it's not. it's right on the line. he didn't do that. maybe this is the thing that keeps him on the straight and narrow. to laura's point, for lying to the justice department. >> he wanted to raise money. now other people will have to do it for him. >> for him. >> this is not a show. they're used to years of this being a big public spectacle and a show. the judge reminded him this is real life acres courtroom and no longer a show. >> very serious, indeed. >> an important programming note to our viewers. join me monday when i moderate our presidential town hall with bernie sanders, live from here in washington monday night 8:00 p.m. only here on cnn. >>> coming up, actor jussie

to define what's roger and what's donald. while it would be clearly a trump presidency, i think it's influenced by a stone philosophy. >> i have to say when i watched your documentary the first time, i actually wrote that quote down because it just blew my mind knowing what we know and seeing where we are now that paul manafort and donald trump are the two people in your video that are speaking on behalf of roger stone. that quote is very interesting and it's true. roger stone has known president trump for more than 40 years. he's been at his side for some of his most pivotal divisions and moments in life, especially when it comes to politics. i think that stone will continue to fight and i think he -- he plays this public-private persona very well. we were reading accounts in court where he was very quiet. he sat there with a pretty straight face, but we saw a press conference yesterday where he's out there saying my only crime is supporting president donald trump, which is obviously not true. that's not what he's charged wi

roger stone has always been in this nebulous space. the question is, is there a direct line or a line that we can trace between the trump campaign, the trump organization, people actually within the president's orbit and this russian plot? mueller has laid out what the russians engaged in. roger stone, by virtue of his public comments, john podesta was going to have his time in the barrel, correctly predicting the future. one of the interesting things here is, not just how close is stone's ties to wikileaks or to assange, but what was the nature of his communication with the president or with the trump campaign? those are both big unanswered questions. what role did he play here? was he potentially a go between or a pass through that communicated relevant information? >> one of the things that would make this most significant, if roger stone had any kind of knowledge or was in any way directing or working with wikileaks and telling them, post this, i need you to do this on this date, i need you to do this, if he was in any way coordina

roger mcnamee is sticking with me.here is a sign that demand for super bowl ads may be peaking. along with the size of the audience. research of cancer media says cbs took in $382 million in ads. compare that to when nbc got $408 million last year. ratings show the viewing audience was slightly over 98 million, the lowest since 2008. coming up, a startup that aims to clean up documents and spreadsheets has gotten a lot of attention from high profile investors. now, it is making its public debut. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: coda, a startup that aims to transform the workplace, made a big splash raising $60 million from high-profile investors, including general catalyst and reid hoffman. in 2017, the platform launched its beta and now making it public debut. joining us to discuss is the ceo of coda and a partner at general catalyst. you actually started working on this for years ago and just launching today. you call it a new kind of document. you must be pretty special if it was four years in the making. w

roger and somebody that i've always liked. some people probably don't like roger. roger is a character. >> the problem is that netflix documentary called get me roger stone shows just how long roger stone and his one-time partner have been focused on the goal of getting donald trump into the white house. >> in 1987, i suggested that trump should explore a bid for the presidency. i was like a jockey looking for a horse. you can't win the race if you don't have a horse and he's a prime piece of political horse flesh. >> roger saw the value of the outsider image. he saw the value of somebody who brought business experience to the political process. he saw somebody that nobody else saw. once he had conversations with trump about that, trump started to take seriously that, yeah, maybe he should run. >> that gentleman right there, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort now a convicted felony learned he'll be sentenced march 8 in virginia for his convictions in just that jurisdiction for bank and tax fraud. he also awaits his other sentencing date, march 13, in a se

of roger stone.n he lives for public attention. he has a daily show on info wars, the alex jones conspiracy theory web site. i suppose he could continue that show as long as he doesn't talk about his own case. you know, the judge is serious about this. the judge really wants this case to be tried in the courtroom. i think frankly it's a controversial ruling. stone has gotten a lot of negative p negative publicity. he has a first amendment right to defend himself but the judge jackson thought look, let's try to shut the dois down as much a possible i'm not sure it would have been seen the same way. >> she was very limited at this. considering if you compare it to what she did in the manafort case and basically shut everything down she will be able to probably do some of these things. he went bo able won't be able t press conferences anymore. he won't be able to attack the prosecutors and say things that could be viewed as trying to effect jury selection but he can speak, you know, he could use his fir

roger stone may be the link between the three. hopefully the mueller report will clear all of that up for the american people. >> the other view of what the mueller report could be is written by neal katyal in "the new york times," and he says the report is unlikely to be a dictionary-thick tome, which will disappoint some observers, but such brevity is not necessarily good news for the president. in fact, quite the opposite. a concise mueller report might act as a road map to investigation for the democratic house of representatives and it might also lead to further criminal investigation by other prosecutors. a short mueller report would mark the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. and so congressman himes, there we see the two possible versions of the mueller report, the extensive one, all-encompassing as andrew mccabe says he expects, and neal katyal recognizing the possibility it could be something much shorter. >> yeah. and that's right. and i mean, who knows? we could get into an awful lot of speculation abo

some people probably don't like roger. roger stone is somebody i've always liked. rojer is a character. >> changing faces. despite his shifting stories, calls are mounting to step down for northham. what happens now since he's not resigning? >>> another one, two more names have been added to the crowded field of democrats running for president. with so many candidates to keep up with, how do they make themselves stand out from the crowd? but let's begin on this sunday with president trump unplugged, running the political gamut in a new interview with cbs news, touching on topics from the mueller probe to another possible potential government shutdown. now just 12 days away. >> i want to be looking a little bit at iran because iran is a real problem. >> whoa. that's news. you're keeping troops in iraq because you want to be able to strike in iran? >> no, because i want to be able to watch iran. even the mueller report said it had nothing to do with the campaign. >> it became public. >> excuse me, excuse me, that's up to the attorney general. it depends. i have no id

gagging roger stone.ral judge weighs issuing a gag order on roger stone's case and orders him not to be in contact with witnesses. will the longtime trump adviser heed her warning? >>> declaring an emergency. a threat from president trump to go around congress and use his executive powers to get funding for his border wall. he ahint hints it may come arou state of the union address tuesday. will he follow through? >>> nancy pelosi accuses of president of risking a nuclear competition with russia after he suspends a weapons treaty with m moscow. >>> we take you to the skies to see how the biggest weekend in sports is being secured. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room."

and people who know roger stone know roger stone. he's trying to raise money for his legal defense and one way to do it is to stir the pot. one way to stir the pot is to stir the pot against the judge and say the fix is in against me. #pot stirred. thank you gloria, ali. >>> mark harris, embattled republican leading in that ninth congressional district race there has made a stunning statement. hold a new election, he says. >> thank you the testimony i've listened to the past three days it's become clear to me that the public's confidence in the ninth seat general election has been undermined to an extent that a new election is warranted. >> let's go straight to diane gallagher that. is stunning to hear from the republican, that he says let's just do it again. >> quite the opposite of everything he has been saying for three months now, brooke. in fact, people started running out of the room. there were gasps. they could not believe this is what happened. we knew something was afoot. that's because just before we broke for lunch, his c

>> roger stone has played the caricature of roger stone -- >> let's point out that's roger stone walking out of court right now with his team. >> he has played this character for his entire career. he has always pushed the line but today he went over that line and got smacked down by the judge. >> roger stone is referenced by mueller during the indictment. after the july 22nd release of stolen dnc e-mails by organization one, wikileaks, senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases wikileaks had regarding the clinton campaign. mueller claims to have direct contact to stone. it's not just a freak show. there is a significance in terms of the mueller investigation here. >> right. not only that he lied but he could have had means to invasion of the u.s. through cyber security. that's deadly serious stuff. roger could go to jail for a very long time. i think david is right, he somehow seems to not understand the gravity of this situation. >> at the end of the day you're going to find out there's no big smoking gun there between roger stone and the

roger stone's newfound celebrity status is a dream come true for roger stone. every head in the room swiveled when he walked in. that is according to the reliable source, gossip column in the "washington post" today. the heads were swiveling to see the man who is now living his dream. the dream of making heads swivel. according to the reliable source, "just before noon tuesday trump's long-time friend and political adviser roger stone, fresh from pleading not guilty to charges relating to the russia investigation, showed up to the palm, a veteran steakhouse, with an entourage of lawyers, security guards and a videographer. every head in the room swiveled when he walked in, said a source in the palm's dining room. not long after stone showed up another political operator walked into the famous dining room, lanny davis, michael cohen's former lawyer and current adviser. davis arrived after stone and was surprised to be in the same room as the trump pal. the two men, the trump loyalist and the lawyer who represented the guy who flipped on the president, were seate

let me get your thoughts on roger stone. he has gagged by this federal judge from speaking or posting on social media about his case. do you think he will abide by that ruling? >> he has to abide by the ruling or he will go to jail. it's shocking what he did. the judge i think rightfully took strong action against him. his efforts to try to claim that he didn't really know what was happening, it wasn't really him, this is a symbol of the occult and not the crosshairs, none is believable. what he did is reckless and extremely dangerous. 'po he apologized because he had to. is that one more apology than we have gotten from president trump for all of his attacks on the institutions of our democracy, our free press, our justice community, our intelligence community. this is unfortunately it seep par for the course. the people pick up on that. it was appalling and dangerous. >> the president's former lawyer, michael cohen, he is going to be testifying publically next wednesday before the house oversight committee. what will you b

put roger stone in context.all of the dozens of people in this investigation including people in the campaign, in the white house. i want to know from texts, e-mails, from financial transactions who talked to whom. i want to put all those 20 people on sort of a time line and i want to take stone's data and balance it against all the other data i've acquired. >> susan, so could all of this evidence mean more charges for either stone or others who haven't been charged yet? >> well, i keep coming back to the fact that the indictment was written to really not show mueller's hand when it came to a lot of this evidence that they had already acquired. and so does that mean because they're holding out the possibility of further charges, some of the language around who his contacts were in the campaign, what was the nature of it, very unclear. and also importantly enough, is this fundamentally a case about collusion or not? the implication is yes, roger stone was the cue conduit between the trump campaign and wickee leak

roger stone just walked into a hearing. she tweeted a photo on monday showing crosshairs next to judge amy berman's head. he took that picture down and apologized, which was uncharacteristic for stone, but judge jackson could remind his bail for that. stone is in court as officials tell nbc news that the doj is preparing for the end of the special counsel's more two-year-old investigation. robert mueller is expected to issue a confidential report any day now, any day now, guys. mueller's conclusion will land on the desk of president trump's new attorney general, william barr. what becomes of his findings, whether they're released to congress and then in some form, to the public, is still, though, an open question. one, though, that the president says is up to his, quote, tremendous new ag. >> mr. president, should the mueller report be released? >> that will be totally up to the new attorney general. he's a tremendous man, a tremendous person who really respects this country and respects the justice department, so that will

you roger stone is a criminal. you have paul manafort what is a criminal, rick gates who is criminal, the list goes on and on and on. >> bakari, bakari, hold only for a second, bakari. >> sure. >> they have been indicted. some have been -- paul manafort, right, but rick gates hasn't gone to trial. they plead. roger stone hasn't had a trial. >> that means you're a felon. no, no, rick gates -- >> no, they plead. i understand. >> michael cohen is a felon. rick gates is a felon. >> absolutely. >> george papadopoulos is a felon. >> absolutely. >> how many felons do you want around him? six or seven? what's enough? >> bakari, until let's just go put a pin in it i and wind way back. when you look at this, and this is what you hear from the republican side and the white house, to understand this, none of this has to do with russian collusion. this has to do with -- and it's not correct. you shouldn't do this, obviously, but you can't lie to the fbi. you can't lie to congress. but none of it goes back to the president, and

look, i don't want to pick on roger's lawyers. i will say it's a good thing for roger that stupidity is not a crime. if it were, you know, he'd be looking at a really long sentence. i mean, it's just unbelievable that in the face of the charges he was filing -- he was facing, he did something like this. and let me just remind everybody who is watching and who is talking here tonight. this judge is the person who will sentence him if he's ever found guilty. so, you know, having a picture like that with the horrific message imbedded in it, these crosshairs, it's just -- what can i say? it's just monumentally stupid. >> and what do you think about the judge? she didn't think roger stone was sincere. she grew impatient when he changed his answers. she's saying next violation, jail. >> listen, i said earlier this morning that she's likely not going to send him to jail now. i think she'd simply -- she must have been so tempted, but i think that she did not want to allow roger to be able to, you know, prance himself around as a victim. s

but roger stone is known for this.stion is whether the history of roger stone and the sort of tricks that he's always bragged about will come into play in all of this because this may be the first incident with the judge, but it isn't the first one in his life, and that, you know, i think that needs to be taken into account here because this is his standard operating procedure. >> okay. everyone stand by. from one courthouse to another. we got to go to chicago. we're also hearing that jussie smollett, his bond hearing is currently under way. hear what we just found out, including information on text messages. that's next. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can

roger stone today, the fact that roger stone walked out of that courtroom, i've had people in federal court who have had dirty urine tests who do not get a chance, for smoking marijuana who get their bond violated. for the actions he took today to walk out of court is beyond me. but that goes even further. you have roger stone, who is a criminal, you have paul manafort who is a criminal, rick gates who is a criminal. the list goes on and on and on. >> bakari, bakari, hold only for a second, bakari. >> sure. >> they have been indicted. some have been -- paul manafort, right, but rick gates hasn't gone to trial. they plead. roger stone hasn't had a trial. everyone is entitled to presumption. >> that means you're a felon. no, no, rick gates -- >> no, they plead. i understand. >> michael cohen is a felon. rick gates is a felon. >> absolutely. >> george papadopoulos is a felon. >> absolutely. >> how many felons do you want around him? six or seven? what's enough? >> bakary, until -- let's just go put a pin in it and wind way back. when you look at this, and this is what you hear from the r

roger stone was back in court today. special counsel said they're looking to begin stone's trial eight months from now. the judge thought july or august seemed more appropriate. she also warned stone not to treat the criminal case against him like a book tour and adding she was considering issuing a gag order. he did not comment publicly but continues his weird nixon thing he'd literally been doing since he was a teenager, as seen in this high school yearbook exclusively obtained by "all in." and came on the heels of the access hollywood tape being made public. it is highly suspicious that just half an hour after the worst bombshell moment in recent memory was published, wikileaks just happened to start releasing emails that furthered the damaging narrative, emails stolen by the russian government hackerers. jerome corsi says evidence it was not a coincidence and someone from the campaign texted him "well done" after emails posted. the question is did stone make that happen? a member of the house judiciary committee. do

on roger, he's not the person that directed a senior campaign official to have roger to be in touch with wikileaks. the whole thing is, you know, everything is swirling around but i have no direct involvement in anything. >> annie, i want to play a clip of that, this is when the president speaks about rosenstein and what he told his attorney. take a listen here. sorry, it is a screen. rosenstein given you any sense over the course of the last year about whether you have any exposure? jessica, you are a federal prosecutor, is it likely -- no, you are all good, you are not a subject, not the target. >> i don't think we would put what the president said into consideration about this. i would not give too much credit as his account of what his lawyer said to him or said to them. i just think that we can't pay too much attention of what president trump said. >> the white house's attorney says when it relates to roger stone, this is all false statements. this had nothing to do with collusion or the president. it had nothing to do with the white house. should if folks paying attention on this t

as of yet it does seem odd that apple doesn't see giving up roger stone's information as a dangerous precedent yet finding out of two people who murdered fourteen people in cold blood had to help was joining us today to figure out just how serious the threat to cellphone users privacy is as investigative journalist ben swan thank you so much for joining us today ben he's out of the how are you. ben always always an interesting life is always interesting when you have to talk about roger stone. you know there was a lot of info in the discovery phase of any arrest and investigation but the stone list was particularly long despite his involvement with campaign being you know realistically a minimal at best so do we know how the f.b.i. obtained the contents of roger stone's devices and do we have any idea of what they've learned from them and what they're using from them what it would have been give up so we don't know everything that's been taken from them but we do know that according to c.n.n. that there are volumes of messages and interactions that the f.b.i. is cataloguing and has c

roger stone. we have brand-new video of stone's arrest last month this unusual video shows roger stone surrendering in the early-morning fbi raid. you can see him with his hands up. this is the first time we're seeing an arrest in the mueller probe. play out on camera. so let's look at this exact scene. as it played out. this was the morning of january 25th. what you're seeing there on the screen are these fbi agents, long guns drawn, their faces only blurred for the sake of the media coverage. this video was put out by roger stone himself, and so what we're watching now, what the public is seeing for the first time ever is roger stone's morning. friday, january 25th. the information we have suggests this all began around 6:50 a.m. in the morning and what you're seeing here is not something most people ever see. it's not something we've seen with any other person arrested in the mueller probe. because no one else has security footage to leak. what you see on the right side there is the agent makin

but i like roger.m of 29 people with guns, to charge a house like they did at 6:00 in the morning, i think that was a very sad thing. for this country. >> i'm joined now by national security and intelligence reporter and nbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. thank you both for being here. cynthia, i'll get to you in a second. ken, let me start with you. we should note stone has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. that happened in his arraignment. what's the expectation for this court hearing today? >> this is a status conference, hallie. the main issue here is whether the judge agrees with both the prosecution and defense who are asking to grant an exception to the speedy trial act. it normally requires a defendant to be brought to trial been 70 days. mueller said he seized terabytes of information from stone over the past year and a half or however long he's been investigating stone. hard drives full of stuff he's turning over to the defense. they need a chance to go through it.

dot com coming up it's roger stone the apple you're best to get of journals by this one balfour's sort fact from fiction don't want to miss this so stay tuned to watch it. when you look back truth hazel's problems between bush and the last cozy i left free to leave it's clear that this treaty is coming to an end. because of that call for interest. both sides all think washington lost. the only. system must. have to manually. and there's no no no not. can as you cut out all of them ok if the. last not minimize doesn't add any it will be a battle they have wait for to have a good watch that i'm not gonna be ok it will come out that having. people call people. if they're not i'm not even call what the how do we. not those. we need the whole goal to go forward. why demand that out on a national poll and to choose just anonymous and. blue blue blue. thank. you. roger stone is then one back tattoo away from getting caught up in the circus that is russia gate investigations for some time now unlike most trump associates who've been spared embarrassing arrests and perp walks stone was arrested

roger stone -- special counsel saying that they have roger stone's communications with wikileaks.e's denied that he's ever directly spoke to them or communicated with them. this is big, right? >> this is huge, don. i think this is even bigger than manafort because this is even more direct evidence of collusion. i mean, look at what was said in the court filing that was released today. the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants on various accounts used to facilitate the transfer of stolen documents for release, and also discussed the timing and promotion of their release. what that is saying is that roger stone was communicating with wikileaks, which was a russian intelligence front organization, to discuss the timing of the release of these stone democratic party documents. this is collusion. this is the very definition of collusion. this is -- or in legal terms, this is a conspiracy to defraud the united states by affecting the course of our election in concert with these foreign actors who are hacking democratic party accounts. >> both of you, stick around. w

we have mike rogers and jim. does the fact that the president was not the blocked number, does that end any curiosity for you on the meeting? >> i think until the mueller report comes out we have to be careful. those can be considered incul p inculpatory. what happens is we jump out ahead of the things. with see something that makes the case or defeats the case. that's how we proceed. i'm comfortable that the mueller team has that information. like i said could this be exculpatory? we'll find it out soon. >> it wasn't the president. he can't be in trouble for not talking to his son. i have never sold anybody on the blocked number and the suggestion. i frustrate people because i go cold on the probe. just in terms of the hunt for crime. i don't see the crimes. we'll see what he has. it doesn't end my curiosity. i want to know if he knew about the meeting. i want to know what happened after. and i want to know why they lied to us about the president's role in the statement. this new information doesn't help me with

apparently roger stone is a really good friend. a really good friend.uch a good friend that he's going to catch a case for donald trump. except to your point, he actually has helped create a problem for donald trump. it's also a pattern of discussion, the idea that there's a conversation happening between someone who's either a witness or someone who is under indictment by robert mueller. communications with the white house about the cases. which helps the white house then prepare its defense. it's the same thing we saw with paul manafort. but i also think we have potential additional corroboration here to the points you're making. and that's the draft offense for jero jerome corsi. what the mueller team says is that roger stone is an agent of the campaign, right? in other words, he is working -- he may not be paid, but he's actually working for the campaign as he is trying to get these e-mails. and that he is reporting that back. so it is also potentially corroborated in that draft defense. now, that again to your point, that draft defense wasn't filed

bob mueller trying to partially gag roger stone, roger stone trying to get the judge thrown off the case and he's doing this thing i mentioned of saying, this isn't related to the russian indictment at all. >> i find this fascinating. because first of all in that video, you see how roger stone uses the media to advance his narrative that will advantage his court case. because he's wearing his t-shirt, right? and by the way, they use the twitter, twitter and kim kardashian statistic to suggest that somehow they're going to deny him a livelihood and gag him. and i agree with you first amendment rights are extremely important. the judge made very clear that if she were gagging, it would be very narrowly and specifically to the case itself. and anything that would materially make the possibility of the trial to be unfair. including for him. by the way. because it would gag both sides. he doesn't want to be gagged because he wants to continue to use the media. this is the appearance that he's creating. he wants to use the media. he is a person who has always used the media. to drive a narrati

this is roger stone this morning. help me in my epic fight against the anti-real donald trump deep state. get your roger stone did nothing wrong. here's the deal, i could never figure out what the case is to believe any of these people. why would you believe him in court when this morning this is what he distributed on social media? and i agree with harry, he's running a gofundme campaign. >> i don't think there's any real reason anyone should believe the guy. he's a notorious liar and anyone who uses him as a source in my profession knows at this point you cannot trust what he says. now, he does have some insights and historical insights from his time all the way dating back to the nixon years and he knows donald trump. but everything he says should be dealt with, with an intense amount of skepticism. he's in financial distress right now obviously. part of his fund-raising allure is to act like he's the victim of the deep state. it's a bizarre posture he has when he could just have not gotten himself in this position

roger stone was put under arrest. at the same time, a number of search warrants were executed on his properties and his devices. so, i imagine there's a massive exploitation going on now of those devices. you don't know what that will lead to. if you believe roger stone, which is a tall order, on some things he may tell the truth, but he says he never deleted anything. there may be a treasure trove of information that may lead to more charges against roger stone, corroboration of evidence they have that they haven't thought was sufficient to bring against roger stone or other people. >> the news sarah sanders talked to mueller, what i find interesting is, she's in the room having discussions with the president about how to craft various messages. we know she has said things which are not true from the podium that the president probably -- the president has probably lied to her about or that she has been concocting lies with the president. >> all of that could be important. depending on what they're looking at. we don'

coming up with roger stone the apple jeweler and investigative journalist by this one to help us sort fact from fiction i don't want to miss this so stay tuned to watch the whole. donald trump second state of the union address was conspicuously light when it came to foreign policy why use is what is his aim to avoid disappointing his base while at the same time wishing not to spar with the deep state what are these mixed signals all about is an elaborate strategy for indications indecisive. roger stone is then one back tattoo away from getting caught up in the circus that is russia gate investigations for some time now unlike most trump associates who've been spared embarrassing arrests and perp walks stone was arrested on camera by a dozen tactically armed f.b.i. officers and now it seems that while apple refused to give up the i phone data of the san bernardino shooters roger stone maybe wasn't so lucky according to court filings the f.b.i. is taking mold is obtaining and giving to the court multiple hard drives containing several terrible. from ation consisting of among other thing

roger.e's a character. but i like roger. for a team of 29 people with ak27s or whatever they were using, to charge a house like they did at 6:00 in the morning, i think that was a very sad thing for this country. >> reporter: did you ever talk to him, did you tell other people to get in touch with him? >> never did. >> joining me now is nbc's intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian, "new york times" chief correspondent peter baker, and also an msnbc contributor. and matt miller, former chief spokesman for attorney general eric holder. peter, since you were in the room, tell us about his comments about roger stone and the investigation. you also made a lot of news on his approach to robert mueller. >> yeah, no, as you played just now, he did deny talking with roger stone or having anybody else talk with roger stone. roger stone was arrested, the indictment said that, you know, there was somebody who had directed roger stone to communicate about wikileaks, and we didn't know w

and roger stone said to him, i spoke with julian, this stuff is coming out.wouldn't that be great? >> just to stop you for a moment. we are watching michael cohen arrive on capitol hill just moments ago. he is carrying documents with him. he seems to be in a relaxed stance. >> he is smiling. there were smiles there. he is hobnobing with the capitol hill police who are walking him in. >> you know, i can say i think this is a moment for michael cohen that actually he has wanted for quite some time. he has said, i'm not going to be the veil lane in this. i changed my mind. he always uses the date, july 2nd, 20s 18 was my independence day. and i think in a way this kat /* catharctic for him. i think this is something he actually wants to do and sees this as a moment in history for himself and for the country and is full of remorse as you can see from the opening statement. >> he will have a couple years to think about what he does today. the point that dproria raised that michael cohen is going to testify, he heard this conversation. president trump has said in,

i think this is a show that roger stone wants. i think it's a fight that roger stone wants and going about the trial in exactly the way he was probably prepared to go about it. >> berit, last night sitting where you are right now was governor chris christie who hopped on this line of reasoning that they want to have the fbi's practices, predawn, ft. lauderdale, looked into, that everything didn't look to be on the up and up. that it was overwhelming force. i want to play this exchange. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> one of the first things that has made me uncomfortable about the mueller thing was the stone arrest. i don't see evidence of either one of those things here. >> berit, when you learn we have a couple terabytes, which we now learn is not a wound left behind by a dinosaur, but a whole lot of data, can you infer that maybe there was a risk of destruction of evidence? >> certainly. i think there's a few points to this. first of all, roger stone knew he was under investigation. so he had known he was both a subje

he repeated, i've always liked -- i like roger, he's a character, mr. trump said, insisting that the fbi agents charging a house like they did

a gag recorder for roger stone. that happened, that would be the real punishment. >> that would be worse than prison for stone. are you kidding me? he lives to talk. >> seriously, he's not happy about that. >> yes, this was a really interesting week. of course, he dominated the news cycles throughout the week. he's going to be in a lot of our show. and i talk about sort of the conflict i have about this because he's roger stone. he wants the attention, and you feel a little bit guilty giving it to him, but he's the heart of this story. he knows trump better than anybody, been around trump longer than anybody else. you have to really get into roger stone and understand which we've tried to do. >> you've sat down with him. >> i did. i sat down with him. >> is he angling for a pardon? >> no question he's angling for a pardon. there's another reason he's doing this, don. he's flat broke. not just broke. he's $2 million on the hook for legal fees. there's $500,000 he owes to the irs. he doesn't own a thing. >> is this al