i think with regards to the rohingya, rohingya, but rohingya is what i heard when i was there, was the speech that was made by tune kim and he spoke, at the ri gala and it really was a gripping speech that he made, and it was different because it was so immediate and there was such desperation there. and he came the next day and he addressed the board and i remembered feeling like i would like to help this guy somehow, if we could -- not help him, but help his cause, the people there. because he seemed so desperate, you know. and then there was a lot of stuff coming out in the media with these ships being turned away, the human trafficking and the mass graves. and i was in the region and this was something i wanted to do. the other question you asked about, you know, refugees international. it's a great organization. i'm really pleased to be a part of of it. i've been on the board for seven years and working with them for longer. >> how did you get involved -- the board in the first place. >> well, richard holbrooke introduced me to the organization after -- robert de niro introduced m