actually, kay graham, i, rolly evans, maybe one or two others went out there and visited meg. and then meg new the senior. so she called up bill sr. and mary gates and said i've got this crew out here, could we drop down? mary said fine. mary called up bill and said warren buffett's coming down and would you like to come down? he said hell no. what do i have in common with that guy? he doesn't understand technology. he's hopeless. and mary was very determined. and she said you're going to come, bill. so they negotiated a while, and finally they got down to where he said he'd come down for, i don't know, an hour and 27 minutes or something like that. and he came down and we hit it off, and we were still talk ten hours later and we became good friends. >> but he never convinced you to buy mikcrosoft stock or buy technology companies? >> he didn't try to. he tried to get me to use a computer. >> did that work? >> eventually. when i learned i could play bridge on it i got interested. i still don't understand what happens with it. >> i thought he originally said i'll get the most b