rom killedko haram more than any and they are still there.se are countries we should be worried about in terms of places which the fall into the type of instability that isis has. alix: how do you disrupt the disruptor? what lessons can we apply to the business world? guest: i don't think we can just continue dropping bombs on them. we spent $2 trillion. we have killed may a million people. to combat them on messaging and create new reliable sources of information, use tools in a better way than they do to re-defeat the ideology. qau can drop a bomb on raq and it will still be around. joe: is it all action that you think will make the problem worse? guest: the knee-jerk response is to drop more promise. there have been thousands of airstrikes. what do they have left a bomb? if i look across the counter extremism world there is intelligent programs coming to the foreground to address ideology. when you see isis say this is a first storm in the coming winter there will be more. we will have to stand up against them. you are sticking with us. co