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when looking at imaaes of it later roman empire. it covers quite - later roman empire. when looking at images of it and it covers quite a - images of it and it covers quite a large area. what size is it? the mosaic is _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about 11 _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about 11 x _ large area. what size is it? iie: mosaic is about 11 x seven large area. what size is it? "iie: mosaic is about 11 x seven metres. it's mosaic is about 11 x seven metres. it�*s a decent sized room. perhaps the eating, the entertaining. the way it�*s oriented, it�*s in a series of three panels and the best place for viewing them would be from the apps at the end of the room. if you imagine the proprietors being in the best seats and as you came into the room, they would have the mosaic up the right way for them but he would be looking at them. it�*s very much i suppose a statement by the owners about their relationship to culture, to sophistication and that�*s
when looking at imaaes of it later roman empire. it covers quite - later roman empire. when looking at images of it and it covers quite a - images of it and it covers quite a large area. what size is it? the mosaic is _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about 11 _ large area. what size is it? the mosaic is about 11 x _ large area. what size is it? iie: mosaic is about 11 x seven large area. what size is it? "iie: mosaic is about...
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so what the new roman empire so that when they saw that power it was a huge sign. also looked at what hitler was doing that before hitler came to power and they believed another side of the end times was that they saw hitler facilitating that they didn't necessarily support that but it was using hitler to help set the stage of armageddon which literally happened in palestine so all of this is going on in the background. they look to him and they understood that in the context of all the other things going on. no doubt the campaign in 1932 on the first set of ballots on the dnc is 666 votes when i first thought and the fundamentalist magazine i thought that cannot be true.
so what the new roman empire so that when they saw that power it was a huge sign. also looked at what hitler was doing that before hitler came to power and they believed another side of the end times was that they saw hitler facilitating that they didn't necessarily support that but it was using hitler to help set the stage of armageddon which literally happened in palestine so all of this is going on in the background. they look to him and they understood that in the context of all the other...
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matt: first -- john: i said roman empire and the like there.hink there is much chance of us getting a hawkish fed out of these personnel changes. in fact, we lost two of the more hawkish participants of the fomc in the boston and dallas fed president and they are undergoing searches right now for replacements. but at some point, inflation is going to prove to be an unacceptable problem. what the fed doesn't realize, they seem to think that somehow engineering inflation will help the economy to a degree, but the public doesn't like in -- inflation. behavioral evidence is clear on that. at some point it will be unacceptably high, the fed will have monetized the supply shop and of the fed will have to get tight. where could that happen? could be six months out, 12 months out, 18 months out. but that sows the seed of the next recession and the downturn in the equity market that you were asking your previous guest about. matt: violent as a mugger, frightening as an armed robber. what else did reagan say? those people view it as theft. what can the f
matt: first -- john: i said roman empire and the like there.hink there is much chance of us getting a hawkish fed out of these personnel changes. in fact, we lost two of the more hawkish participants of the fomc in the boston and dallas fed president and they are undergoing searches right now for replacements. but at some point, inflation is going to prove to be an unacceptable problem. what the fed doesn't realize, they seem to think that somehow engineering inflation will help the economy to...
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one of those was new restored roman empire.lieve that one thing in the times was revitalized rome. so when they say them taking power, for them it was a huge sign that they were living near the end times. they looked at what hitler was doing and they were cautious of hitler's anti-semitism. and a lot of them had read mine kompf in german. they believed that they would have the jews back to palestine and to armageddon, which would happen in palestine. >> and you will of this would take us to franklin roosevelt. they looked at him and understood him. there's no doubt that his campaign in 1932 got off to an ominous start. the first set of ballots at the democratic national ballots, he received 666, 666 votes. and when i first read that in the fundamentalist magazine i thought that couldn't be true. i looked back at records and that was the case. this already set fundamentalists on edge, believing there's something weird going on here that's linking roosevelt to the anti-christ. after the election, they began to view roosevelt in t
one of those was new restored roman empire.lieve that one thing in the times was revitalized rome. so when they say them taking power, for them it was a huge sign that they were living near the end times. they looked at what hitler was doing and they were cautious of hitler's anti-semitism. and a lot of them had read mine kompf in german. they believed that they would have the jews back to palestine and to armageddon, which would happen in palestine. >> and you will of this would take us...
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and they are prepared to do anything to seize this power. >> cooper: back then, the roman empire dominateds found in the gardens give some sense of the riches that flowed towards rome. rare and intricately-carved marble from the far reaches of the empire decorated the walls of the buildings. glass recovered at the site appears to have been used in very early windows. and, large amounts of oysters appear to have been served at meals. mirella serlorenzi says her team recovered the bones of wild animals that would have been brought here from far-away lands. she showed us the leg of an ostrich, the foot of a lion, and the tooth of a bear. >> serlorenzi ( translated ): it's evident that wild animals were here for the entertainment of the emperor. games were carried out here with gladiators, we can imagine, and battles with ferocious beasts. >> cooper: when he became emperor, caligula started improving rome's infrastructure. he began work on new aqueducts. he also cut taxes. serlorenzi says this coin found in the gardens was minted around 39 a.d. to remind romans that caligula got rid of a sales
and they are prepared to do anything to seize this power. >> cooper: back then, the roman empire dominateds found in the gardens give some sense of the riches that flowed towards rome. rare and intricately-carved marble from the far reaches of the empire decorated the walls of the buildings. glass recovered at the site appears to have been used in very early windows. and, large amounts of oysters appear to have been served at meals. mirella serlorenzi says her team recovered the bones of...
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ah, you know, end of empire sorta roman empire falling apart when they also lost their minds and it was obvious, you know, of the, the basically political insanity that was to that they were point to get others out when it was them put pointing in the mirror with america is become the land of the peasant, the neil peasant, the cyber present, in the med averse. and now we've got a pass of uprising and my money is on the peasants. you know, because we've got big coin and they've only got money that they print by the trillion that's losing purchasing power every single day. we've seen this story before. bitcoin rocks. and i do wanna also point out to people that, you know, i feel like it's a lot of propaganda against a country like our salvador is that it's, it's, it's beautiful here. and the people are so warm, they're so amazing. there's beauty all around you. it's quite hot, as you can see, after a few minutes out, even in the shade, it's like extremely warm up. the surf is very strong. this surface, very powerful. it is a surfer paradise for a long time. it's been a destination for sur
ah, you know, end of empire sorta roman empire falling apart when they also lost their minds and it was obvious, you know, of the, the basically political insanity that was to that they were point to get others out when it was them put pointing in the mirror with america is become the land of the peasant, the neil peasant, the cyber present, in the med averse. and now we've got a pass of uprising and my money is on the peasants. you know, because we've got big coin and they've only got money...
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given the decline and fall of the roman empire. misery struggle for statehood, plato's republic. the complete works of robert first. the completeworks of lord byron . edward shepard 15 decisive battles of the world. charles pearson's economic interpretation of the constitution and william shakespeare, all of his writings. overwhelmed yet? a little piece of advice. it's been a lifelong program for me and if you start out even on this incomplete list you will find it a lengthy study but well worthwhile. and it will keep you out of mischiefto . as we approached the station i am going to hand over the control david mccullough to give the final thoughts on truman's heart of literature as told to an audience in front of the truman library and honorable libraries 50th anniversary and 2007. >> apple nolan who was harry truman's cousin wrote very perceptive things about truman. she said among other things i don't know anybody in the world who ever read as much or as constantly as he did. he was what you would call a bookworm. history became a passion as he worked his way through the stand
given the decline and fall of the roman empire. misery struggle for statehood, plato's republic. the complete works of robert first. the completeworks of lord byron . edward shepard 15 decisive battles of the world. charles pearson's economic interpretation of the constitution and william shakespeare, all of his writings. overwhelmed yet? a little piece of advice. it's been a lifelong program for me and if you start out even on this incomplete list you will find it a lengthy study but well...
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from the european continent, breaking up the mission that existed at the time of the fall of the roman empire and been in the later stage. it's more a strength from england. i'm moving in in different ways and in different respect. on the peripheral countries, whales, ireland, and scotland, the only one of the 3 which wasn't conquered by england. but of course, all these nations borrow from each other and english nationalism. as, for example, you could find it in various from the place of shakespeare. you can't say shakes, i believe this, but he commits, of his characters appeared to believe it. and the irish welsh, the scots borrowed from they could get from shakespeare and from various other writers, and as the english like it or not, the severson. but shakespeare settings unpleasantly because he sadly pleased during the reign of elizabeth the fast a was a very much a exemplifying and then heralding an english nationalism will. plucky england. they were standing the spanish mother, but his later plays after the ascension of james, the 6th, and fast a. we're very much trying to cooperate wit
from the european continent, breaking up the mission that existed at the time of the fall of the roman empire and been in the later stage. it's more a strength from england. i'm moving in in different ways and in different respect. on the peripheral countries, whales, ireland, and scotland, the only one of the 3 which wasn't conquered by england. but of course, all these nations borrow from each other and english nationalism. as, for example, you could find it in various from the place of...
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the fall and decline of the roman empire. bunker bean. missouri's struggle for statehood. plato's republic. the complete works of robert byrnes, the deplete works of lord byron. edward shepper kreezer 15 decisive battles of the world. charles veersen economic interpretation of the constitution and william shakespeare, all of his writings. over awed yet. then a little piece of advice from the president. it's been a lifelong program for me. and if you start out even on this incomplete list, you will find it a lengthy study but well worthwhile. . it will keep you out of mischief tori. as we approach the station i hand over the controls to david mcall to give final thoughts as told a audience in front of the truman library in honor of the library bra as 50th anniversary in 2007. >> ethyl nolened, who was harry truman's cousin, wrote some very per acceptsive things about truman. is he said among other things, i don't know anybody in the world who ever read as much or as widely as he did. he was what you would call a book worm. history became a passion as he worked his way throu
the fall and decline of the roman empire. bunker bean. missouri's struggle for statehood. plato's republic. the complete works of robert byrnes, the deplete works of lord byron. edward shepper kreezer 15 decisive battles of the world. charles veersen economic interpretation of the constitution and william shakespeare, all of his writings. over awed yet. then a little piece of advice from the president. it's been a lifelong program for me. and if you start out even on this incomplete list, you...
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. >> massimiliano: the neighbourhood was born during the roman empire. >> centocelle is the roman namely. there may never have actually been one hundred jails here but what this area does have is three new subway stations all within close proximity. >> massimiliano: these things change up the game, ok? a lot of people came here to try to invest a bit. >> yeah. is this where we're going? >> yeah, it's here. >> let's go in and see what he's got. centocelle has long had a rough reputation. that's changing fast though and one place that's seen by some as ground zero for the transformation of the neighbourhood is a deli. vincenzo opened this place well before the metro arrived. he wanted to rehabilitate the surrounding lazio region's mediocre reputation for food and bring the best of the countryside back for his neighbours to enjoy at fair prices . >> can i taste some? >> ah, s i! [laughs] pecorino cheese is made from sheep's milk and rome is famous for it. historically the animals were raised all around lazio as a cheaper alternative to cattle and crops. vincenzo goes a step further than m
. >> massimiliano: the neighbourhood was born during the roman empire. >> centocelle is the roman namely. there may never have actually been one hundred jails here but what this area does have is three new subway stations all within close proximity. >> massimiliano: these things change up the game, ok? a lot of people came here to try to invest a bit. >> yeah. is this where we're going? >> yeah, it's here. >> let's go in and see what he's got. centocelle has...
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takes on in accordance to be granting rights you have these migratory groups coming across the roman empire. the citizen alone could go in and out of the country at will. if you are not a citizen you can go back without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement, that's been thrown out by the courts. a citizen alone could vote. if they have a right as holding office if you have just a group of people that are residents and we don't know much about them or what the customs or traditions are and we are not able to assimilate or integrate because they are so large in number, 2 million of them and they will go into enclaves, we have done this in periods where we never gave up on the melting pot. it's your own particular culture. it raises the question why are they doing this do they want chaos, anarchy, they don't want to be around these people. i have a nice nanny and landscaper but i don't want my kids to go to school with their kids. it isn't sudden white racism, it's a huge number of impoverished aliens without high school diplomas and upon arrival are encouraged to emphasize by a m
takes on in accordance to be granting rights you have these migratory groups coming across the roman empire. the citizen alone could go in and out of the country at will. if you are not a citizen you can go back without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement, that's been thrown out by the courts. a citizen alone could vote. if they have a right as holding office if you have just a group of people that are residents and we don't know much about them or what the customs or traditions...
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back to fourth or fifth century ad where you have these groups coming across the west part of the roman empire and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say if citizens that's unique to the citizen. citizens alone go in and out of the country and if you aren't a citizen you go back to mexico or cross the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible and a residence -- a resident is just as qualified. .. we don't know what their customs are. they are so large in number. 2 million of them. there going to into enclaves with them. we the host never gave up on the melting pot. the message to all of this is, your own particular culture will no longer be incidental to who you are. it will be essential. why are they doing this. they want chaos, they want anarchy, they kind of project some guy from bakersfield on the forklift, but i have a nice nanny and landscape, but i don't want my school to go to school with their kids. >> you right in the book, what currently threatens to change the pattern integration and assimilation, in a marriage it is not sudden white racism. high school diplom
back to fourth or fifth century ad where you have these groups coming across the west part of the roman empire and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say if citizens that's unique to the citizen. citizens alone go in and out of the country and if you aren't a citizen you go back to mexico or cross the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible and a residence -- a resident is just as qualified. .. we don't know what their customs are. they are so large in number. 2 million...
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fourth or fifth century where you have these migratory groups coming across the west 5 part of the roman empire. i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say is citizens. it was unique to the citizen. the citizen alone could goit around the country. i think that's gone now. if you are not a citizen you go eback to mexico or central america and back without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlements. that's been thrown out by the courts. i know in california illegals are voting. the only thing i can think of that is citizen has the right over a resident is holding office but i think that is under question now. so, if you have just a group of people that are residents and we don't know much about them and we don'tdi know what the customs or traditions are and we are not able to assimilate or integrate them because they are so large in number, 2 million of them and they are going to go, we've done this at periods where we the host never gave up on the melting pot. we've given a the message that your own particular culture will no longer necessarily be incidental to who you are. it
fourth or fifth century where you have these migratory groups coming across the west 5 part of the roman empire. i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say is citizens. it was unique to the citizen. the citizen alone could goit around the country. i think that's gone now. if you are not a citizen you go eback to mexico or central america and back without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlements. that's been thrown out by the courts. i know in california illegals are voting....
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where they have groups from the west part of the roman empire and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say that was unique to the citizens. they could go in-and-out of the country at will, i think that gone now. you go back to mexico or going across the border. a citizen for entitlement, just as qualified, citizens alone can vote i think the school board in massachusetts illegals are voting, the only thing i can think of for the citizens has a right over residents is holding office. i think that is under question now, to know if you have a group of people who are residents we don't know much about them we don't know what their customs or traditions are and we are not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry them because they are so large in number 2 million of them, we've done most eastern europeans but was never given up. we've given a message to all of us, your own particular culture no longer necessarily be incidental you are, it will be essential. it raises the question, why are they doing this they want chaosn anarchy, they don't want to be around these people so t
where they have groups from the west part of the roman empire and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say that was unique to the citizens. they could go in-and-out of the country at will, i think that gone now. you go back to mexico or going across the border. a citizen for entitlement, just as qualified, citizens alone can vote i think the school board in massachusetts illegals are voting, the only thing i can think of for the citizens has a right over residents is holding office....
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resident that you are back to forced entry you have migratory groups from the west part of the roman empire in the north and i'm trying to think of all of the things we used to say as citizens that was unique to the citizen, the citizen alone go in-and-out of the country at will, i think that is gone now. if you're not as busy, you can go back to mexico or back and forth across the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement and thrown out by the court. citizens alone put boat, school board elections i think in massachusetts i don't california illegal are voting. the only thing i can think of a citizen has a right over residents legal or illegal is holding office, i think that is under question now, to so if you have a group of people who are residents and we don't know much about them and we don't know what their customs or traditions are and we are not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry because they are so large a number, 2 million of them from we've done this work year sternrn europeans will relieve a host and never came give up onga the melting pot. your
resident that you are back to forced entry you have migratory groups from the west part of the roman empire in the north and i'm trying to think of all of the things we used to say as citizens that was unique to the citizen, the citizen alone go in-and-out of the country at will, i think that is gone now. if you're not as busy, you can go back to mexico or back and forth across the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement and thrown out by the court. citizens alone put...
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where you have these migratory groups coming across the west art of the roman empire, and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say of citizen, it was unique to the citizen. the citizen could alone go in and out of the country at will. i think that's gone now. if you're not a citizen, you can go back to mexico or central america, come back and forth across the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement. that's been thrown out by the courts. a resident is just as qualified. citizens alone could vote. i think if they're in school board elections, i think in massachusetts -- i know in california illegals are voting. the only thing i can think of that a citizen has a right over a resident, legal or illegal, is holding office. and i think that's you should question now too -- under question now too. so if you have just a group of people that are residents and we don't knowe much about them and we don't know what their customs or traditions are and we're not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry them because they're not -- they're so large in numbe
where you have these migratory groups coming across the west art of the roman empire, and i'm trying to think of all the things we used to say of citizen, it was unique to the citizen. the citizen could alone go in and out of the country at will. i think that's gone now. if you're not a citizen, you can go back to mexico or central america, come back and forth across the border without a passport. a citizen was eligible for entitlement. that's been thrown out by the courts. a resident is just...
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ad across the roman empire, the north, and i'm trying it think of the things we used to be unique for the citizen. the citizen alone could go in and out of the country at well. if you're not a citizen, go to mexico, central america, back and forth without a passport. the citizen was entitledments, that's thrown out by the courts, a resident is just as qualified. a citizen alone could vote. i think on scoreboard elections, i know in california they're voting. and legal or illegal, holding office and i think that's under question now, too. if you have a group of people that are residents and we don't know much about them and we don't know if what their customs or traditions are, and we're not able to assimilate or integrate or intermarry them because they're so large in number, two million of them and they're going to go into enclaves, we've done this at periods with the eastern europeans, but we've, we the host, never gave up on the melting pot. we've given the message to all of this is, you know, your own particular culture will no longer necessarily be interdental to who you are, it
ad across the roman empire, the north, and i'm trying it think of the things we used to be unique for the citizen. the citizen alone could go in and out of the country at well. if you're not a citizen, go to mexico, central america, back and forth without a passport. the citizen was entitledments, that's thrown out by the courts, a resident is just as qualified. a citizen alone could vote. i think on scoreboard elections, i know in california they're voting. and legal or illegal, holding office...
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paul wrote about the roman empire proclaiming themselves to be wise. they became fools.oomed for dam nation. -- damnation. we have had great republican presidents and great democratic presidents. every president -- there are eight presidents in a row that served in world war two. they put country first. every single one of them made this country better. but what i see taking place in my country now devastates me. if we do not get back to being principled, it will destroy this country just like the roman empire thank you. host: rome -- robert in maryland. i chose to be an independent in my voting. you have to be affiliated to vote in primaries. if it was not for this, the independent group would likely be larger. i have voted for democrats and republicans, though i am more likely to vote for a third party. we showed you that pull earlier that showed an equal number of respondents in the latest poll for those that say they are republicans and democrats. another way of looking at americans' ideological views, here is the pulling on that. when it comes to those who say they
paul wrote about the roman empire proclaiming themselves to be wise. they became fools.oomed for dam nation. -- damnation. we have had great republican presidents and great democratic presidents. every president -- there are eight presidents in a row that served in world war two. they put country first. every single one of them made this country better. but what i see taking place in my country now devastates me. if we do not get back to being principled, it will destroy this country just like...
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one of the important ones was eight rise of a new restored roman empire.ved one of the things was a revitalized rome. and so when they sought mussolini consolidating power, taking power and standing influence for them this was a huge sign there at the end of times. they also looked at what hitler was doing for their very conscious of hitler's anti-semitism men punch up many have read, they believed another sign of the ends of times but they saw hitler as facilitating that. did not necessarily support it, endorse it or cheer it but they believe god was using him for the armageddon which would literally happen in palestine for it all the stuff is going on in the background which then takes us to franklin roosevelt. they looked at him and they understood him then and the context of all these other things going on. there is no doubt his campaign and 1932 cut off to an ominous start. on the first set of a belt at the democratic national convention roosevelt received 666, 666 votes. when i first read that the fundamentalist magazine if it is too good to be true
one of the important ones was eight rise of a new restored roman empire.ved one of the things was a revitalized rome. and so when they sought mussolini consolidating power, taking power and standing influence for them this was a huge sign there at the end of times. they also looked at what hitler was doing for their very conscious of hitler's anti-semitism men punch up many have read, they believed another sign of the ends of times but they saw hitler as facilitating that. did not necessarily...
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one was the rise of a new restorative roman empire. they believed in a revitalized rome. them this was a huge sign that they were living in the end times. they also looked at what hitler was doing. and they were very conscious of hitler's anti-semitism. many of them read "mein kampf" from hitler. and they believed another sign would be the return of jews to palestine. they believed that god was using hitler to help set the stage for the battle of armageddon, which would literally happen in palestine. so all of this stuff is going on in the background which then takes us to franklin roosevelt. they looked at him and they understood him in the context of all these other things going on. and there's no doubt that his campaign in 1932 got off to an ominous start. on the first set of ballots that the democratic national convention, roosevelt received 666 votes. when i first read that in a fundamentalist magazine, i thought that couldn't really be true. and i looked back at the records, and sure enough, that was absolutely the case. this already set fundamentalists on edge beli
one was the rise of a new restorative roman empire. they believed in a revitalized rome. them this was a huge sign that they were living in the end times. they also looked at what hitler was doing. and they were very conscious of hitler's anti-semitism. many of them read "mein kampf" from hitler. and they believed another sign would be the return of jews to palestine. they believed that god was using hitler to help set the stage for the battle of armageddon, which would literally...
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that's what the roman empire -- what the romance came up with -- what the romans came up with after they looked at democracy from the greeks. they actually had a real democracy where most everybody participated in the big decisions. fortunately, they realized, you can't let everybody vote as a juror in law cases. so they restricted those law cases juries to only having 501 people. as i understand it, it was 501 people on the jury that voted to make socrates drink poison as his penalty. and that's what you see when you have too many participating in a process, it gets out of hand. you get a handful and they start running and they get people fired up before you know it. one of the finest men in the country is ordered to drink poison. you have to be careful. and that's what the romans realized. so they created a republic. we like the democratic idea that people get to vote and participate in government, but let's have them elect representatives and then the representatives study the issues and they vote on behalf of the rest of the country. and if we don't like how they're voting, we throw
that's what the roman empire -- what the romance came up with -- what the romans came up with after they looked at democracy from the greeks. they actually had a real democracy where most everybody participated in the big decisions. fortunately, they realized, you can't let everybody vote as a juror in law cases. so they restricted those law cases juries to only having 501 people. as i understand it, it was 501 people on the jury that voted to make socrates drink poison as his penalty. and...