torshin because what we had at first which was clear evidence against him -- well, when we arrested romanoff in december of 2014, if i remember correctly, well, this evidence, well, kind of disbursed and so we never actually issued an indictment against him nor was there an international order issued against him, either. >> gentleman over there, please. >> steven blank, american foreign policy council. my question is for the -- is both sides wearing the same hat with regard to organized crime and media penetration in europe. >> translator: well, i don't know really. but what i do know is that the media is part of the defense of the state. it's a very active participation that the media has to take on and that exists in spain, that coordination of interest more than just coordination of interest of the state but rather of the country, of the society. in other words, an alignment. in spain as far as i know there has been no infiltration of organized crime in media outlets. in europe i do not know. i have no idea. in our investigations in spain we have not been attacked by the media with some f