in romer, what the court was looking at was what does the target to the class do?at is, how are you differentiating between these classes of individuals, and are you differentiating to treat them unequal the? if that's the situation, that is a very rare type of law. you can talk about semantics but there is no question looking at the text of amendment three and the other marriage discrimination laws, is that the only thing those laws did was target same-sex couples and make them unequal. none of those laws established the right to marry, gave benefits or gave incentives. their only purpose and effect was to exclude same-sex couples from marriage or marriage recognition. >> mike bibby you dissing the only purpose and effect was to validate what has been and historical practice for eons ask why couldn't it be said that's all they're doing? we want to be clear, this is historical practices, the one you talked support, carried. >> because, your honor, when you have a least two statutes and a constitutional amendment that is directed at excluding only one class of indiv

i will turn to my colleagues and ambassador romer, okay? good. >> thank you, chairman wolf, ranking member fatah, colbertson and schiff for the opportunity to appear with my fellow commissioners, ambassador tim romer, former attorney general ed meese. it is a pleasure to serve with them and an honor to work with the, the -- the fb be i. as you know, i have dedicated my academic career which now spans nearly 40 years to the study of terrorism and more recently to the dynamics of radicalization, foreign and domestic, that can lead to violent extremism. this is a high priority national security issue that i know is of interest to you as it is to the fbi. the fbi, indeed, is working hard today on programs related to home-grown violent extremism, online radicalization and countering violent extremism. let me share with you briefly some observations from my own academic study of radicalization. the variety of terrorists who have surfaced over the years evidences that there is no one path to radicalization. the reason why someone picks up a gun or

of you just accept the idea of victimhood -- a quote from romer ailes, our boss another fox news, spoke to the horatio algier society. you've think of yourself as a victim you'll always be a victim but if you think of yourself as a success, eventually you will be one itch love that attitude. >> host: but in your story, you talk about having been turned down by many newspapers, as you desire to write a column. then here comes one editor who says, "the los angeles times," let's give him a chance. >> guest: i first met tom johnson and i was a copy boy, and found him to be very engauging and hoped he did the same -- find the same in me. years later i wrote a column as a lark. ite ripped this book bat ven soreship -- send shoreship from he letter and i wrote a column and i send it off to "the new york times" and they prisoned it. still frame on my wall as historical document, and then i root another one of in the "washington post" prisonedded the and then "los angeles times" and "usa today," and i contacted these cindy cats -- my background was broadcasting, not newspapers. they all turned m