different story, but mitt romney uses different language here. he says innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions not elections. i believe leigh corfman, her account too serious to ignore. moore is unfit for office and should step aside. again, that is from a former republican nominee for president who says he's seen enough, four women on the record in your newspaper this morning, enough for him to say roy moore should not be a good candidate. the implications of that statement? >> i think the implications are that republican party is clearly very split right now about what to do about this massive story as you point out with serious allegations, four women on the record, decades later, giving names, dates, consistent stories all consistent with each other. sunlen said what more proof do you need. on the other hand, republicans who are in the senate right now recognize that balance of power of the senate could be at stake in this election if democrats are able to tilt this election and a couple other in nevada and arizona next year

the second is to romney missile -- is to romney missile. these are grave considerations, but they are unavoidable. as commander in chief the president focuses on these matters on a daily basis. in facing these threats, whether through diplomatic negotiations, preparing to deter or defeat a launch or to protect the united states preemptively, the united states needs to rally our allies in each of these courses of actions. that is a tough task. what makes it more challenging is the uncertainty efforts to increase funding for our military here at home. in april of this year we, as a body, attended a briefing on north korea at the white house. the administration has been forthcoming on the urgency of the threat and determination to face it through a policy of maximum pressure and preparedness. we have only a few weeks ahead of us to provide the department of defense to provide the funding needs and providing the stability and programs and resources required to fulfill our strategy. each of us talked about these goals. each of us talked about wh

you and mitt romney disagree on this issue.e doesn't seem troubled by the timing. >> well, i think that everyone that is in an establishment position with the republican party are going to say those sort of things. it's referred to as covering your backside. but think the truth is you've just got to watch the timing on this. roy has been scrubbed up and down up and down. and, you know, the "washington post," i'm not sure they're the most credible source for news in the state of alabama. >> i mean i don't know why you would say that. it's one of the best newspapers in the country. >> why would i say that? why would i say is that? okay. >> yeah, it's one of the best newspapers in the country. you're curious about the timing and you're curious about -- and you're impugning the "washington post" but what about the four women? these are four alabama women who have similar stories about roy moore in his 30s coming on to them, according to them when they were 14, 16, 17 and 18. one of the women is a trump supporter. >> no, i -- well,

romney even won nine more counties than moore did. 52 counties for romney versus 43 counties for moore better in moore's home county of etowah. 68% for romney compared to 55% for moore. of course this all happened long before those allegations of sexual misconduct about moore came out publicly. sure, there are big differences between running for alabama supreme court and the u.s. senate, but these 2012 numbers show that moore has been a divisive figure even among alabama republicans for a long time. if that divide re-emerges next month, this could be how deep red alabama elects a democrat to the senate on december 12th. >>> and when we come back, end game and what some trump voters now say they think about the president. e-commerce. real time inventory. virtual changing rooms. that's why retailers rely on comcast business to deliver consistent network speed across multiple locations. every corporate office, warehouse and store near or far covered. leaving every competitor, threat and challenge outmaneuvered. comcast business outmaneuver. a heart transplant... that's a whole different b

and mitt romney said i believe leigh corfman. he said i believe the women. as a law professor, what is your reaction to that? the notion that we should be using the juror us present shl standard of yand reasonable doubt for political candidates? >> this is a rare scenario but i agree with mitt romney in this situation. in courts, we set a very high standard. guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. someone's liberty is at stake. we might decide to lock them up and keep them as a prisoner to punish them. this is different. do we want to elevate someone to the esteemed office of the united states senate where they have the power to make great decisions about people? different standard to apply there than the one applied to criminal defendants. >> let's listen to what republican congressman peter king said about this. >> when this case the charge is so serious and the fact that it's backed up by other women and so hideous, i would say, unless he can prove his innocence, the burden is on him within the next day or so i believe he has to step down. >> david, peter king,

and what romney is essentially doing is applying that new standard. saying you don't need absolute proof. you is can have a certain amount of evidence, he's seen the evidence and he says it meets the test. >> mason: what exactly are the republicans' options now, john. >> reporter: they're exercising them differently. we have seen different senators who have withdrawn hir endorsements. john mccain saying he should drop out. the big challenge for washington republican leaders is they don't want to rush to judgment but they also don't want to be the party defined by the most outrageous allegations against one of their members, and they really want nothing to do with the alabama republicans who have said even if these allegations are true about moore's relationship with a 14-year-old girl, they'd still vote for him but there are also republicans like steve bannon, who agree with moore and want to use this as a way to fight washington republicans, see it as awe chance to fight the power structure in the republican party. so still a lot to play out here. >>

and i would vote for mitt romney and give mitt romney a lap dance if he would come back and be presidentif i were a republican, i would be worried because people are going to vote, but if i were a democrat, don't get cocky. because we're going to have to work very, very hard. we have people who are in pain and disappointed, and this anti-trump sentiment could become an antipolitic sentiment, and people can go from being outraged to giving up and that can't happen, either. so, democrats, stay on your grind. >> trevor: thank you for being on the show. ( cheers and applause ) "beyond the messy truth" is available now. van jones, everybody. ( cheers and applause )

romney even won nine more counties than moore did. 52 counties for romney versus 43 counties for mooreney even did better in moore's home county of etowah. 68% for romney compared to 55% for moore. of course this all happened long before those allegations of sexual misconduct about moore came out publicly. sure, there are big differences between running for alabama supreme court and the u.s. senate, but these 2012 numbers show that moore has been a divisive figure even among alabama republicans for a long time. if that divide re-emerges next month, this could be how deep red alabama elects a democrat to the senate on december 12th. >>> and when we come back, end game and what some trump voters now say they think about the president. man's inner voice: why do i have to be stuck here? talking property taxes. ♪ woah. go over there! then, make a mountain out of that reddi-wip. i'm out. made with real cream. reddi-wip. instant greatification. >>> back now with "end game." okay, taxes. a lot of confidence among the republicans that they're going to win this in the senate. amy walter, this --

and i would vote for mitt romney and give mitt romney a lap dance if he would come back and be presidentht. ( applause ) so if i were a republican, i would be worried because people are going to vote, but if i were a democrat, don't get cocky. because we're going to have to work very, very hard. we have people who are in pain and disappointed, and this anti-trump sentiment could become an antipolitic sentiment, and people can go from being outraged to giving up and that can't happen, either. so, democrats, stay on your grind. >> trevor: thank you for being on the show. ( cheers and applause ) "beyond the messy truth" is available now. van jones, everybody. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ music playing ♪ ♪ ♪ we thought we knew what war would be like. on me! but nothing prepared us for this. they're after jews. man: it's all been leading to this. let's move. rated mature. do notsfx: dog bark thanks grandma. why don't you fetch me some doritos. sfx: dog barking fetch me a bag full of doritos. sfx: dog bark fetch me a bare na... sfx: dog bark sfx: bear growl sfx: man screaming sfx: bear growl sfx:

not everyone is going to take moore at his words, mitt romney tweeted -- senator john mccain called on roy moore to withdraw and barbara comstock said moore should not serve in the u.s. senate. but moore has made it clear he has no intention of dropping out of this race. his name will almost certainly be on that ballot, which means the only person standing between roy moore and the u.s. capitol is doug jones, a former prosecutor who put away members of the kkk. we'll see if jones picks up any endorsement. meanwhile, moore supporters have been circleing the wagon portraying the judge as a victim of a motivated smear spain. his brother jerry telling nbc news, it's kind of like when jesus christ was hung on the cross, i'm saying the allegations the way they're treating him is like the way they treated christ. he went on to say there quote ought to be something filed against moore's accusers, echo an alabama state rep, -- >> already, rush limbaugh is calling up with of the women a wacky woman and a well known alt right figure posted her photo and work place on twitter before taking them do

battlefield for their rivals in the region and the power is further afield and gaze if so from what romney is saying it sounds as though it's almost business as usual for lebanon unfortunately insofar as the the big play is i thought a rabia and iran are likely to take out their grievances on the battlefield the battlefield being being lebanon in particular beirut it would have taken anything away from what rami just said there is no doubt that outside interference has always defined lebanese politics but there is so much of that one can argue i think that at the end of the day the responsibility really lies on the lebanese themselves the fact that lebanon has been a dysfunctional country is not so good to be a sport or iran's fault or anybody else's fault it is the lebanese civil liberties have failed to actually create a nation state what they have done is as we've just heard and i fully share with remi's analysis corruption and all kinds of agreements that have been made over the years by the establishment in order to perpetuate themselves in power but this is where this particular epis

and then there's mitt romney.en guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. i believe leigh corfman, her account is too serious to ignore. moore is unfit for office and should step aside. what in the world is going on in the republican party? >> right. and this is the republican party, the party that, you know, is now obsessed with due process, was the party that was saying lock her up and saying that, you know, with the leader donald trump threatening to put hillary clinton in jail without a process and without after any evidence over e-mails, i guess. and so that is really telling. but for men to acknowledge the words and the truth of women, people like mitt romney, which i can't believe i'm agreeing with and i'm retwoeting today as a progressive is powerful and important because we spend so long not believing women, not trusting women. >> these same two men said things that were pretty similar about donald trump when the "access hollywood" tape came out. a number of other republicans came out and condemn

mitt romney tweeted "innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, no elections. i believe corfman. moore should step aside. senator john mccain and virginia comestock said moore should not serve in the u.s. senate but moore has made it clear he has no intention of dropping out of this race. his name will almost certainly be on that ballot, which means the only personal standing between moore and the ballot is jones. moore supporters have been circling the wagons, portraying the judge as a victim of a politically motivated smear campaign. his brother said "it's kind of like when jesus christ was hung on the cross. i'm not saying roy's like jesus christ. i'm saying the way they're treating him is like what they did to jesus christ. "if they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty, i think somebody should go after them." rush limbaugh is calling one of the victims a whacky woman on his show. and the white house for its part repeated the "if true" caveat, adding a bit of extra wiggle room. >> like most americans, the president believes we cannot allow a mere a

it directly linked chromosomal linked to the united states leverage their lead where does it lead romney where does it go what happens next and if that's what you're saying as well i think we can see in modern history especially in the last fifteen twenty years when the pressures build up too much on ordinary citizens they push back and so the systems that we have in the arab world and i'm talking about the arab world now iran turkey israel are different are building up pressure again with massive massive amounts of disparity and poverty and marginalisation and powerlessness it will manifest itself again as it did six seven years ago. with you another arab spring well we'll have something we don't know what it is the difficulty is when you have the american government and the russian government and externally other powers like iran like turkey like some of the europeans actively supporting these regimes it's very hard to exchange them until the pressure gets so big that they implode from without and romney's warning about kind of another arab spring another revolt what's your concern in

and john mccain, and yes, mitt romney and the others who read the story. you know, i held back until i read every word of that story. if i could just ask the people of alabama, read the story, follow your heart and your mind. don't be blinded by anything else but that story. because we know it's real. you just have to read it. you can feel it as a human being, as a mom or a dad or as a victim. but let me say i am surprised, particularly at mitch, who i worked very well with toward the end of my tenure. i'm surprised because he went through the packwood case and this was another situation where bob packwood was re-elected to the united states senate, he had run on a very strong feminist agenda from oregon and right after he won, "the washington post" wrote one of these incredible, in-depth, investigative stories like this one, and named sources, about 15, 16 women who said he had abused them. no children. by the way, that's a whole other thing we can talk about. and mitch, for several years there, i had to fight so hard with bob dole and mitch mcconnell. an

necessity include mitt romney, he's eyeing a senate run in utah next year.ney would run on his willingness to challenge the white house. yes, he would. he's an interesting piece of business. former vice president joe biden who recently said he regrets he's not president now. everybody who wants to try and correct the situation in 2020. he will be 77. so you see this is a generational event. ed rollins, political director for president ronald reagan. mitt romney? he goes after this president. he was an attack dog and he couldn't get barack obama. ed: he's running to get back in the game again. and he will be the lead i are of the opposition to president trump. this is a guy who does not fit -- i would predict if you put his hand on a bible like the last two republican presidents, one voted for trump and one didn't. we don't need a senator from utah. lou: folks in utah have to be thinking, he's a nice enough fellow. >> he was a terrible governor. he was a one-term governor who could not get re-elected. in the mid-term he started running for president. and he c

and mitt romney said i believe leigh corfman. i believe the women.s a law professor what is your feeling of that we need to use this for political candidates beyond a reasonable doubt? >> i grew he with him. we set in croom beyond a reasonable doubt because someone's liberty is at stake of the we might decide to lock them up. this is different. do we want to elevate someone to the esteemed office of the u.s. senate where they will have the way to make decisions about people. this is the same thing. >> let's listen to what congressman peter king said about this. >> in this case the charge is so serious and the fact it's backed up by other women and so hideous, i would say, unless he can prove his innocence, the burden is now on him, within the next day or so, i believe he has to step down. >> david, peter king, is it a geographic thing, you have to be a congressman from new york to think that way? >> well, peter king is also fighting for his own life. there is it a larger political context that this seat is important in itself. only a two year hold on

was according to exit polls, 28% for trump, 27% for romney.nationwide. i think the number was 29% in nevada. that having been said, donald trump lost the state of nevada by about 2.5 points. if the exit poll is even remotely accurate at 29% latino voters, that's a state that is about 50/50. it's basically a majority/minority state with latino voters playing an overwhelming part of the vote chair. if donald trump were to score 35% to 37%, he wins nevada. on the one hand, it is valuable to hear the perspective of some latino voters in the state who said, yes, we proudly support president trump and still support him. overwhelmingly, if you look at 29% versus 71% who did not, you have to wonder heading to re-election in 2020, if the president needs to build on that existing support that he established in 2012. >> it's a great question. and yeugene, one of the things you heard me was the caller talking about daca. hey, wait a minute, the way president trump put it in place wasn't meant to last. so the voter isn't pointing the finger at president tr

romney ended up losing and obama obviously got a second term. but do you remember who the runner-up was to mitt romney in the 2012 republican primaries? it's kind of surprisingly hard to think your way back to this answer. but, in fact, it was rick santorum. who had previously been a senator from the great state of pennsylvania. he was turfed out of office by a gigantic margin by his own constituents in pennsylvania. he was replaced by a democratic senator, bob casey. then rick santorum mounted a comeback, in part by becoming part of a permanent presidential campaigner. and in 2012, he ended up being the last man standing against mitt romney. that was weird for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons it was weird because rick santorum campaigned for the presidency in 2012 by very earnestly, very sincerely in his rick santorum way telling audiences stuff that was just absolutely completely made up and bonkers. stuff like this. >> the netherlands, people -- and the bracelet is, do not euthanize me. because they have voluntary euthanasia in the ne

and as mitt romney points out, it's not -- this isn't a court of law. we're not waiting for the jury to weigh in. it's an election. it's enough to disqualify. >> i think romney is onto something, but the two things i want to point out that are most disturbing. one is when you have an alabama official try and say this means nothing and compares the behavior of roy moore to jesus, mary and joseph, now, you know -- >> take me to church. >> i think that, nicolle, i've said many times under this era of trump that we can't go any lower. but as a minister, to hear someone say -- and this i'm not making up. an alabama official saying what is the big deal if roy moore did do it? mary was 13 when joseph got her -- fathered jesus. to compare. these are evangelicals who claim to believe in jesus christ and you'd compare this alleged pedophiler to the mother of jesus christ? how low can you go to play politics? and then on top of that, the problem you got, and i respect a lot, our chairman here steele. and i think he made the right point, but i would say the problem

still 62 in cumberland, and romney. it will clear out tomorrow night for date night. look at the temperatures. still 59 and that's at 9:30, 10:00 tomorrow night. around 60 to start. 69, almost 70 by 11:00, and by 1:00. these temps are more like late september. saturday, afternoon showers or drizzle. doesn't look like a lot. 60. only 60, and some of the burbs holding 50. monday, the next front comes through. showers in the evening, and overnight, into early on tuesday. we clear out and cool off wednesday and thursday, we're back in the50s, remember, election in virginia, and maryland next tuesday, and heart walk on saturday morning. >>> here's a debate that we want to get you all involved with. should employers give non- smokers days off of work? there is a company in japan doing just that. >> vote right now on wusa9.com/vote, or go to the woos app. we'll show you the reason why that japanese company changed their policy at 5:30. as well as the result of our wusa9.com/vote. >>> oprah is back with her favorite things just in time for holiday shopping. see some of the to

mitt romney running against barack obama. he lost and obama got a second term. do you remember who the runner-up was to mitt romney in the 2012 republican primaries? surprisingly hard to think your way back to this answer but in fact it was rick santorum, previously a senator from great state of pennsylvania, turfed out of office by constituents and replaced by democratic senator bob casey. but rick santorum mounted a comeback by becoming a permanent presidential campaigner. in 2012 he ended up last man standing against mitt romney. weird for a lot of reasons. one is because rick santorum campaigned for presidency in 2012 by very earn easterly and sincerely in his santorum way, telling audiences stuff that was absolutely completely made up and bonkers. stuff like this. >> in the netherlands, people wear a different bracelet if you're -- do not euthanize me. because volunteer euthanization in netherlands, but half the people euthanized, 10% of all deaths, half are involuntary at hospitals because they're older and sick. elderly people in the netherlands don't go

i think mitt romney made this point, john mccain mapped this point that if you look at the report done by the "washington post," which is a very thorough report, its was not done by opposition research. i think you can reach the conclusion that what this gentleman did was totally inappropriate and not the kind of behavior that a united states senator should have. >> dickerson: all right, senator sanders, we'll take a break talk about politics. the president did in fact believe the intelligence agencies after his written remarks so did he clean that up. but we'll be back in a second, we'll tech about other things on we'll tech about other things on the other side of this commercial. stay with us. ...at t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. what if we could keep more amof what we earn?d. trillions of dollars going back to taxpayers. who could possibly be against that? well, the national debt is $20 trillion. as we keep adding to it, guess who pays the bill? him. and her. and her. co

be able to save his presidency because that's where as i can see this presidency is finished and romney does saving president presidency and tail finding a new prime minister and finding one quickly well that's his job it's his responsibility he has a lot of extra respect weighed on his shoulders now to step up he's a forceful determined fellow and he will probably be more effective in trying to find a name a prime minister and get parliamentary approval for that than previous presidents have been but as we've just heard there are really serious internal issues in lebanon particularly about the role of hezbollah internally and externally that have never been addressed never been seriously grappled with and the lebanese have been unable to do this and the reason hezbollah has become so strong and so powerful is because the lebanese state was not able to do what it's supposed to do to protect its citizens from israeli occupation and rage to provide services etc etc so there's a chicken and egg situation here the until the lebanese government can really be strong enough to serve all of its

so as cold as you are to start, you'll warm up quickly, 59 in romney. by 6:00 we're still in the low to mid-50s. by this time tomorrow only in the upper 40s in gaithersburg, leesburg, rockville, bethesda, still 46 in fredericksburg. just seasonably cold tonight and chilly tomorrow. now let's talk about winds. warmer wind tomorrow, but winds could gust -- this is 1:00 tomorrow afternoon gusting from 20 to 25 miles an hour. on your way home tomorrow gusting 20, 23 miles an hour and about this time tomorrow night we could see wind gusts 25 to 30 miles an hour. again the good news, that's a southwest wind. so that's a warm wind. it will be in part responsible for our 60s tomorrow. cold, light winds. that's about average for this time of year. on the day planner around 40 to start, 54 by 11:00 and check this out, 60 at 1:00. you could take lunch outside tomorrow, no worries about that. wednesday still fantastic, low 60s. i did knock down thursday a little bit, low 50s, clouds, dry for the lighting of the christmas tree. there's just a slight chance of a show

john mccain and mitt romney calling moore unfit for office. congresswoman barbara comstock tweeting harvey weinstein, anthony weiner, roy moore, no more. >> i believe in the second amendment. >> reporter: but the judge's supporters say the allegations are false and politically motivated just weeks before a crucial special election. >> he's a man of honesty and integrity. he's a man of faith. it's just not in his dna to do anything like that. >> reporter: the state auditor telling nbc news there's been a long history of romances and marriages with teenage girls. >> i just don't think that he did what he's being accused of. >> so you plan to vote for roy moore in the election next month? >> yes. >> reporter: the senate gop campaign arm has now severed ties with roy moore, making it harder for him to fund raise. that special election is in about a month. again, roy moore insists he is not dropping out. back to you. >> gabe, no doubt a busy day ahead for you. gabe gutierrez live in alabama. thank you, gabe. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst. d

stewart stevens is with us tonight, he's a campaign and political veteran, he served as mitt romney's chief strategist for the 2012 campaign. and columnist for "the boston globe" is back with us, thank you, both, for being with us. stewart, what is going on here? we heard a day's full of news coverage today, various people coming on television and radio, normalizing an adult and a teenager girl. >> listen, it's really not complicated. roy moore in this interview with sean hannity did what all the bad guys do on "law and order" when they don't have a lawyer, he basically indicted himself. he said when he was in his 30s with an assistant attorney. he went out with girls young enough to ask their moms for permission. now, i guess he thought that was a defense, but i mean, look, if you're in your 30s and you're going to take girls young enough you feel like you have to ask their mother, that should have been the first clue something was off. and so he's saying these girls are 16, 17, and he was attracted to them in his 30s, which is weird, but he doesn't have any, can't imagine him doing

i mean, at least we can have hope, mitt romney coming out and taking such a strong stand. also thought was extremely reassuring. and, you know, we know that of course he's looking into a senate campaign from all the reporting. i just want to contrast this moment in history, though, to 2012 when todd aiken you may remember was the republican who was running in missouri against claire mccaskill and made the appalling comments of saying that cases of legitimate rape, that women's bodies have a way of shutting them down and preventing them from getting pregnant. and if you remember, he was so roundly attacked for that. women's groups like emily's list raised money against him and he was defeated, of course. what is really different here is the way that even though there's been all these avalanche of allegations of sexual misconduct coming out in all different professions now, ever since the harvey weinstein thing, that the alabama republican party and the current senate gop we have is still at this moment backing him, as you say, using this if true without ever telling us how

republicans -- poor mitt romney.t romney, i'm annoyed of how he's treated donald trump but he was a good person at heart. i liked him. i think he would have been a good president. mitt romney had a binder full of women's resumes. remember how he was treated by the democrats? you look at examples like that or herman cain. i'm friends with him. he's going up in the polls. the day he gets out, nothing. you hear nothing. because they accomplished their mission or why? >> look, this is the thing that made andrew breitbart a conservative. the accusations against justin clarence thomas. there's a fact pattern here. there's a very strange propensity of sexual allegations to suddenly become politicallioutful in the run-up to an election or when somebody stands up for the principles of the republic and needs to be taken down. let's get back to the basics of the republic. we have to have a presumption of innocence. you have to know who is acuesing you and have to do it publicly and has to be evidence. we don't know the facts. t

out and mitt romney can find money if he needs to line pup consultants he got all pollster behind him and superpack reside and he came out and laugh and chuckled at the crowd and wrote up a sleeve to let people know that he was just like them and he made a joke about his mother being in charge and everything was perfect donald trump didn't do any of that he hired a couple of extras to come into trump tower. he took and escalator down with his wife and he started insult people immediately so you look at that and you think how's he going win with this and winning with donald was one of the ways that he did. >> to become most famous person in the world is that why you -- he ran for president? >> not why -- largely achieved fame but that did have a factor in why he ran for president. >> he's if you look back at interviews back to the 0u with with larry king and other o people he talks about how he thinks his country is getting a raw deal. the nationalist sentiment and toughness in leadership sentiment and how we do in foreign wars have been echoed for year when is he was a democrat and re

very dangerous and it's i think for the region is going to let me let me put that point to shareen romney saying what's happening inside syria is unprecedented fod says it's part of a reform movement but let me just say to you isn't the problem for a lot of cider of his neighbors and people and rivals in the region they don't have much credibility to criticize what's going on in saudi arabia if you all syria if you're the kind of the people who don't like saudi arabia what are you going to lecture saudi arabia on the lack of democracy there's not much anyone can on but i think that there are degrees that i have no. love for the public i don't. agree with their ideology and so on however there is you know you have to. you have different centers of power i'm actually there is politics in iran and that in some ways could be said this is a major problem for you ron because they cannot. take care of all this citizens even and i think that this. right whatever people say that the supreme leader calls all day shots and that's not true and iran you do have parliamentary elections they are not per

he served as mitt romney's chef strategist for the 2012 campaign. and indira is back with us.hank you for being with us. stuart what's going on here, a day's full of news coverage today, various people coming on television and radio, normalizing an adult and a teenage girl. >> listen, it's really not complicated. roy moore in this interview with sean hannity did what all the bad guys do in law and order when they don't have a lawyer, he basically indicted himself. he said it was in his 30s, assistant district attorney, did go out with girls young enough he had to ask their moms for permission. i guess he thought that was a defense. but, i mean, look, if you're in your 30s and you're going to take girls young enough you feel like you have to ask their mother, that should have been the first clue that something was off. and so he's saying these girls are 16, 17 and he was attracted to them in his 30s, which is weird. but he wasn't -- doesn't have any -- can't imagine him doing anything with someone a couple years younger. i mean, look, he should step aside. it's clear. it's a di

so, i think he -- he -- i'm with mitt romney on this. i think he should step down from the ballot of this. but it's -- we're going to have an election. it will be a very competitive election. i think the standard should be, we believe the women in these cases. >> so mark, let me go to you on that. you have seen the reaction from the white house, republicans. it's all very much if, if, if, would democrats have reacted any differently? if it was someone from their party, and it certainly has been in the past. >> well, one of the things kellyanne said was there wasn't much press coverage around president clinton's indiscretions. >> there was quite a bit. >> including the impeachment. so, that rang a little false. i think you asked the right question, martha, which is, what is it going to take for the republican party to stand up and say, this man is not qualified to be a candidate for our party? >> i didn't get that answer. >> that's a question that needs to be answered. >> and mary, the moore news has a political impact for republicans. no

so much money he scared mitt romney out and mitt romney can find money. he line up all the consultants. got the pelsters hip him, the super pac ready and then came out and laughed and chuckled at the crowd that had been perfectly choreographed and rolled up his sleeves to let people know he was just like and that made a self-deprecating joke about his mother being in charge. donald trump didn't do anything about that. he hired experts to come into trump tower, took an escalator down with his wife and start insulting people immediately. you look at that and wonder he is going to win and reading "the art of the donald" is how he did jude his ambition is to become the most famous person in the world. is that why he ran for president. >> guest: i don't think so. he had largely achieved fame, but i think that had a factor in why ran for president. if you look at interviews he talk buss hoe thinks or country is getting a raw deal. the nationalist sentiment, the trade sentiments and the toughness in leadership sentiments and how we do in foreign wars have been e