this bill as you pointed o had 17% approval rating before they started getting the benefits. >> ron 4-in-1ierestion i ask so many of our guest, is this sustainable? >> no. you can't start out with the worst start of a presidency in modern american history and sustain that. he's -- he's swirling the drain. unless he figures a way to regain the public's trust, to regain our faith, it's going to end badly. and i don't know how he comes out of this, charlie is exactly right. we forget how he got elected. he got elected because this was a change election. he was the change candidate going against someone who was clearly the status quo president. once he is in office he is the establishment and the public wants change. that's cutting against him. >> charlie, you are a dreamer, a dreamer from wisconsin. you said during the break i wonder if the white house will pivot to substance. >> i also wonder whether the debate in the media coverage will pivot to substance. for example, the story about syria and the role of russia maybe connects the dots, why do all these tweets matter, why does the russian sto