alan questrom served 3.5 years, almost four years, what did he do as ceo? he caused the wheel of retailing circles, he toned it up. he was going through almost the same thing as rong the customer base of jc penney. >> jeff, it's brian, hey, listen, everyone is kind of booil pileing on ackman, i guess i will defend the guy. tell me what you think about this. what ackman did, you know, going around the board, fine, we get that, that's wrong that, will tick them off. i'll go after the board a little bit, too. this was an $80 stock in 2007. it's not like this was a magical company that defined american retail success. that i have nod had a good year in a number of years. many of the board members presided over the slide from 2007. maybe, what if we turned up a ackman actually is right and things need to change fundamentally? >> you know, you can't reinvent the history. it's between 87 and now as you are talking about it. we had mike olman lead a very successful turn around in this company. we had, obviously, a bad period in all retail in the late '90s as we had in all of our markets and things weren't looking so, but he's done a great turn around as ceo and then, of