even when i spoke to barney wells and ron clausen, the authors of the book that told me this -- [laughter] they were the architects of a class designed to assist ministers in understanding rural culture. they scoffed at my statistics. i had to show wls the passage in the book that he wrote where those that statistics were located for him to even consider the possibility. but he challenged the methodology of the researchers -- [laughter] basically, when it comes to this nostalgia, rural faith, the cognitive dissonance between what is true and what we want to be true is on full display. and i will realize one last section -- read one last section, just like a page. we go back to st. johns. i went to a lot of mass. i'm not catholic, but i found -- i love how spooky catholicism is. [laughter] nothing's weirder than transsubstantiation. [laughter] i see so many nods, yes! it's weird! and, like, you're supposeo literally believe it. sign me up. [laughter] i love it. so walking across the st. johns campus one sunday after mass, i picked a red berry. snow had come early to northern minnesota, and