i said interviewing ron doss after he d a stroke. he said he wanted to be on despite having a stroke. >> and the author be here now spiritual leader? >> yes. you sound like a good journalist. aware of your audience. >> was moving. it actually reduced me to tears. there are moments like that, there was a moment when i interviewed -- it was good enough to write a forward line with books about her agent was living in palo alto and then died right before we went on the air. and i said you want to say something about him? and she just broke down. she could even speak. one of the cardinal rules of broadcasting is no dead air under any circumstances. so that moment stands out. moments stand out like the one with betty for dan when i asked her question that she didn't like and she got up and started to leave. moments stand out like the one with billy dee williams, the famous african-american actor from star wars. he also had other important roles. i was interviewing him and i found a very challenging. it was like pulling teeth. you know you