an occurrence that we get there every week at, atmosphere, i got together with jocelyn kane and ron edwards and bennett came down, we went over what was going on over there and he hashed out what he thought was the problem, bennett came over with somebody from monroe to central station, we discussed certain issues in terms of keeping a dialog, if there's a special event, how we can notify central station. if he leaves a message on my voice mail but i'm not there on a friday, it doesn't go anywhere so now there's an e-mail notification to myself, my captain, the lieutenants that work as well as the sergeants that work the midnight shift so we won't have anything falling through the cracks, also how to deal with the party buses and what we want, if they're going to be up there, they're sanctioned by the clubs and we have some order and a protocol so we're working on that as well, it seems to be working pretty well. there are two assaults at the cellar, this is on july 29 at 12:20 a.m., the victim was punched but an unknown suspect, she could not say why she was punched, people there said she

from lawmakers who are demanding for better oversight following the disclosures by edward snowden connecticut senator ron richard blumenthal is in the process of crafting legislation to reform the find support and allow for public scrutiny the problem he says is that the eleven member court is so secretive that it undermines the idea of balancing threats of terrorism with the fourth amendment protections of unreasonable searches and seizures but that's not the only piece of legislation that is emerging in response to the n.s.a. surveillance revelations our chief political commentator sam sachs has more the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome. for america of these disclosures is that nothing will change snowden finally leaves the moscow airport today his greatest fear that nothing will change hasn't materialized but instead a flurry of legislation has dropped here on capitol hill to rein in the n.s.a. . and bremer transparency to the top secret pfizer court and last week's near passage of the a mosque conyers amendment which would have defunded the n.s.a.'s mass collection of debt on american

congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leader forty years ago with the pentagon and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. live the politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet and he's the father of the current united states senator and possible presidential candidate rand paul ron a before i ask you about your new program and everything attested to it are you in the republican party politico says that you are you've got a detente with the party and you're closer now is it true. well i haven't paid much attention to that i haven't been involved i've never been too interested in politics and by the fact i spent so many years there but partisan politics turns me off but they haven't really talked to me i haven't talked with them in this state time and i have no idea what their they're talking about because i talk to some people who want to you know emphasize the bi

later you can watch ron paul at this year's young americans for liberty convention. whistleblowers like edward snowden and bradley manning. here is a look. isk is howgest sluggish will they get? speaking out can be dangerous. we write calls on purpose. -- we write laws on purpose. all the politicians want truth. they want us to know everything about government. there might be laws that say you are a whistleblower -- whistleblower. we will protect you. sure. if you do that they charge you with treason. this reminds me in a dictatorship the truth is treason within empire of lies. only heldment is together by lies. these revolutions whether it is ravi manning or snowden they have not really hurt anybody but they have hurt the politicians. they have embarrassed them. you mean we spy on every country in the world? all of our friends? all of our trading partners? it is out in the open. tot becomes treasonous they getng the facade away by claiming they are the humanitarians. you have a desire for humanitarian treatment for the people will and the best help for the poor. that is humanitarian with a re

congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leader forty years ago with the pentagon and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. live the politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet and he's the father of the current united states senator and possible presidential candidate rand paul ron a before i ask you about your new program and everything attested to it are you in the republican party politico says that you are you've got a detente with the party and you're closer now is that true. well i haven't paid much attention to that i haven't been involved i've never been too interested in politics in spite of the fact i spent so many years there but partisan politics turns me off but they haven't really talked to me i haven't talked with them in this state time and i have no idea what their they're talking about because i talk to some people who want to you know emphasize

ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government. you're forty years ago with the pentagon making and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet and he's the father of the current united states senator and possible presidential candidate rand paul ron a before i ask you about your new program and everything attest.

congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leaguer forty years ago with the pentagon making and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. live the politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet .

in the government's computer networks were not for edward snowden artie's larry king spoke with former congressman influential libertarian leader ron paul about whistleblowers in their role in bringing government secrets to light the head of a wiki leaks julian a songe recently described himself as a big admirer of yours what do you think of that whole we gave leeds operation the leaking names and the like what was your reaction well i want as much transparency of government as possible i think wiki leaks has worked very hard to make sure there's nobody has been injured in there's no evidence that anybody has but if our government is doing something wrong and they're hiding it from us i think there is a moral obligation of those people who know and can reveal that to us to let us know they should tell us but they government complains oh no they're going to release this information to the enemy well i'm not the enemy the people is not the enemy the people ought to know what's going on we ought to have our privacy is protected and the secrecy of government challenge when it's totally unnecessary and most of this is very unnecessary a

this for the past two years and had no idea what he meant until edward snowden disclose to my newspaper this overwhelming bulk collection. ronn was entirely vindicated and it sort of underscores when wyden says to his colleague, maybe look in secret about the discrepancy between what the nsa is saying it's violations have been, meaning accidental, and what it actually said to us in secret. navi that kind of should get more attention. maybe more senators should go back in a close session he sang come and look at that because winds record really does bear out and it also points out now that chris inglis has said it in that it has not stopped terrorist attacks, wind. >>natodianne feinstein of california who chairs the intelligence committee defended the program. >> i was on the intelligence 9/11, and ifore remember how little information we had and the great criticism of the government because of inabilityepipes, the to share intelligence, the inability to collect intelligence. we had no programs that could have possibly caught two people in san diego before the event took place. i support this program. , think based on what i

secret committees what information that they have i'm sure ron wyden the democratic senator from oregon would have been very pleased to speak with edward snowden let's also remember that edward snowden there's evidence that he went to go work for as a contractor for the very express purpose of gaining access to these files so it wasn't like he was just an innocent twentysomething who stumbled upon some you know treasure trove of information that he wanted to get out to the people it seemed that he was into he was all that and it's actually well first of all that's a rumor that's going around now we don't know it that's true i also i really am surprised me i would think that when you have government officials coming in before congress and lying. then i agree with you james clapper saying that he told our sitting representatives united states senators that he gave the least untruthful answer that is outrageous but when we're talking about whistleblowers there were proper channels for them to go through and i you know i've i've read about where is who represent whistleblowers and they have different different steps they take long before t

senate hearing yesterday and they were talking about edward snowden and they were the senators were appalled at what they've seen out of the n.s.a. ron wyden has been saying for years if the american american public knew what was going on behind their backs they'd want change they would be appalled it's time for our government to practice oversight we need are represented. in washington d.c. to use this power of oversight to get to the bottom of what's going on in the n.s.a. and not blow off whistle blowers bring them in ask some questions find out offer them immunity find out what's really going on in our name in the n.s.a. the privatization of information again bozell and private organization ninety nine percent of its income comes from the united states government no oversight edward snowden brought to what was what was going on to booz allen to the american public and we should know this information so that we can have a debate in our country about this steve ok steve jump in. you know i waded through that whole very nice to look way that you just offered for any attempt at all to address the point that i mentioned and you didn't

senate hearing yesterday and they were talking about edward snowden and they were the senators were appalled at what they've seen out of the n.s.a. ron wyden has been saying for years if the american american public knew what was going on behind their backs they'd want change they would be appalled it's time for our government to practice oversight we need are represented. in big washington d.c. to use this power of oversight to get to the bottom of what's going on in the n.s.a. and not blow off whistle blowers bring them in ask them questions find out offer them immunity find out what's really going on in our name in the n.s.a. the privatization of information but again bozell and private organization ninety nine percent of its income comes from the united states government no oversight edward snowden brought to what was what was going on to booz allen to the american public and we should know this information so that we can have a debate in our country about this steve ok steve jump in you know i waded through that whole very nice to look way that you just offered for any attempt at all to address the point that i mentioned and you

congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leader forty years ago with the pentagon and is now supporting n.s.a. leaker edward snowden it's all next on politicking with larry king. live the politicking on larry king we start the program with the former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul an old friend he joins us from clute texas where he does his shows for the recently launched ron paul channel on the internet and.

clean for lindsey graham, chuck schumer to sort of keep attention on edward snowden and this wacky tale in russia. you had others, senator ronyden of oregon asking very good questions in congressional hearings of what exactly is going on -- >> russia, of all places? if he was somewhere else there would be less of a carnival side show. >> sure. but look. the united states government went around the world putting pressure on every country to not give him asylum and we were very successful with that. you wind up with russia -- >> we need to have not just more hearings on transparency for the nsa, but the president needs to have one of those roundtable televised meetings. we need a real conversation. >> but hold on. hold on. if the problem is that you have -- i want to bring david sanger back in on this issue. if the issue is you have the i.t. guy, the guy at snowden's level, that can get at your data, the problem with snowden is that doing that is a crime and the way that you disincentivize accessing that data without a court order is you prosecute people who access top security information such as prosecuting edward snowden. i

didn't come from edward snowden but instead came from a sitting united states senator imagine if it or if it all came from ron wyden well it almost did it in interview released yesterday senator wyden who as a member of the senate intelligence committee was privy to much of the n.s.a. secrets so he considered spilling those secrets on the floor of the senate so that americans can know what's really going on and members of congress have what's called parliamentarian immunity a somewhat arcane rule that gives lawmakers complete immunity from prosecution for anything they submit to the congressional record and wyden told rolling stone quote this is a sensitive subject a lot of people have just said to me well you feel so strongly about these issues when you knew this why didn't you just go to the floor of the united states senate and just you know read it all into the record and of course anybody who does this kind of work thinks a lot about that you think about it all the time i can see why plenty of people would criticize me progressives and others recently ron wyden talked about the effects of snowden's leaks

ron snowden there. perry, what are the chances that the federal government would allow a public trial of edward snowden? >> i'm not sure. i think if he came back to the sufficient he probably would have a trial. the question would be, he vie laid the law, no question, whether he's a whistleblower or a traitor or something else, he violated the law. i think the question for snowden would be, if he comes back here, he's certainly going to be convicted of violating the law. and a public trial, we're discussing national security matters i think is very unlikely to happen. so i think his father is wanting something not possible. those programs are very secret. so the notion of a private -- or a public trial is unlikely to me. >> brain trust, we'll be back later in the hour with more on what could become the start of a new cold war. also, we'll take a look at the sneak peek ahead and give us their headlines. just a few minutes here on msnbc. >>> up next, though, more mondays. voters in north carolina rising up against new laws. the man behind the push will join me live. >>> also, stadium security. the new pol

been very outspoken and supportive of edward snowden and wiki leaks and he joins us from berkeley california and by the way daniel you'll be interested to know that ron paul was our guest right before you and in praising miss the snowden and mr manning and we gave each he singled you out as the forerunner of all of this as a true american hero you have a reaction to that i do ron paul has has taken several occasions to praise what i did in congress and i really appreciate it it's really i have to say very unusual phil it gives me a warm feeling toward him what do you make of so we got sentence penned pending when when this airs it'll be rendered already on private manning on mr snowden in russia on we give leads what's your overview of this whole thing well i think there's no better way for americans to have a real sense of where we've arrived than to do what i did a few weeks ago which was to rerent to the movie enemy of the state from one thousand nine hundred ninety eight i'm in that movie you'll remember that larry because you're in it playing yourself on the end of the movie that's a that's right in the very end of the movie after during which a

unfortunately, edward snowden was the only means by which we have had this debate. >> let's go to your former boss, senator ron wyden. he warned about interpretations of the surveillance act. >> when the people find out how the government has secretly interpreted the patriot act, they will be stunned and angry. and they will ask centers, did you know what this law actually permits? why did you know before you voted on it? the fact is, anyone can read the plaintext of the patriot act, yet many members of congress have no idea how the law is being secretly interpreted by the executive branch, because that interpretation is classified. it is almost as if there were two patriot acts, and many members of congress have not read the one that matters. our constituents, of course, are totally in the dark. members of the public have no access to the secret, legal interpretations, so they have no idea what their government believes the law actually means. ron wyden inenator 2011. jennifer hoelzer, you quote president obama -- i thought it was so amazing, your piece, how you described how you were able to talk, or not tal

congressman presidential candidate ron paul plus daniel ellsberg the original government leader forty years ago with the pentagon papers and is now supporting and as a leaker edward snowden that's all next on politics with larry king. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. operations to rule the day. what a wonderful. holiday face. a pleasure to have you with us here today.

ron johnson, thank you so much. >>> let me bring back our journalists and switch topics. i know you both saw this report of the new leak from former nsa contractor edward snowden. . shows the nsa is breaking the rules and overstepping its bounds. internal audit showed it violated privacy rules 2,776 times. what more can you tell us about this nsa program, karen? >> this is a report this morning by our colleague bart geldman on the front page of "the washington post." i think the absolute most charitable description of what we have seen in this audit is incredibly sloppiness on the part of the nsa. there was one instance in there, for instance, where they thought they were typing in the country code of egypt and instead they put in 202 and put in something else. this is was an internal report. there were strong indications that the agency itself has a policy of not providing its own supposed overseers with any more what they refer to as extraneous information than they have to. it seems an effort to keep the agencies and courts that are supposed to be overseeing them in the dark about a lot of their both, you know, policies, but also their inadvertent m

edward snowden. along with the same julian assange. patrick -- none of the politicians in washington. andsachs says dr. ronaul michael anderson agrees with him on that. carsonsays dr. ben should be awarded the medal of freedom. allison says -- would not give it to clinton, gloria, or oprah. down here it says george zimmerman. one, iin says -- no think this is a waste of taxpayer money, and the president for the time could be better used working with congress to get our country moving again. thehmo says -- all of troops bush sent to their deaths in iraq via his unnecessary war of choice. those are some of the facebook comments we have received so far. in other news, while we wait on your calls, the u.s. has ordered nonessential staff out of the consulate in pakistan's area. of actuation of nonessential host: "politico" -- recess is not preserved. voters are not so please with the congressional august vacation, with an overwhelming 80% majority claiming that the members host: that is an "politico" this morning. we began with a call from louisiana on our republican line. linda, who would you like to see nomin

ron, i have to interrupt you in the interest of time. listen, i made that point as well. i still want to know what harm was done by what edwardden revealed. i don't see any at all. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >> announcer: connect with the "bill press show" on twitter. follow us on bpshow and tweet using the hashtag watching bp. this is the "bill press show." >> bill: all right. we got it. 33 minutes after the hour now. happy thursday, august 8th. as we do a little quick hopscotch over to the big stories of the day and take time out to take your comments by phone at 1-866-55-press. and we'll get back to the news of the day. first, here's something i urge you to consider and that is emergency link.com. emergencylink i.d. to put it in perspective, if you think about the horrible possibility, you're in an accident, knocked unconscious, paramedic teams arrive and there's nothing -- emt arrives and nothing they can do. they can certainly help you out but they can't communicate with you and find out all of the important information they may need to know. the way to protect yourself against that possibility is emerg

edward snowden to be able to get this information and get it out. now, you have to understand the distrust that americans have. >> i do. let me applaud the fact that ronwo members of the senate were responsible about working within the system to get their objections heard. they are going to be at this meeting in the white house today. this should be a more transparent process. by the way, congress did debate these things. some people may have missed the movie but i was there. we put the program fully 1/3 the foreign intelligence surveillance act in 2008 and that sun sets every three years. people have a right to vote against extending it. there is a discussion about how the program works. i applaud senator feinstein for writing an oped yesterday in which she says all members of congress should have access to a lot of this data and should understand how the program works. why do we have the program? we have the program to foil plots against us. it is very hard to find out about those. the fact that 54 really bad things didn't happen to us or our allies is a news story. >> thank you so much. >> happy to be on this new show. >> thank you very much. welco

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