. >> ron emanuel and alderman will burns say they are banning egrets in public places grose of the children -- places because of the children. the children are far more likely to see me outside a bar smoking a cigarette than inside smoking a fake one. if you arriving me, this has a lot more to do with the fact they get a lot of money for the city on real cigarette taxes that they are not getting for fake cigarette taxes. >> what do you think is the future of regulations for esuggests. >> sith -- esuggests. >> i think regulations will come down hard on certain aspects as we back some of those regulations. age verification is a major part of it. as the professor says, the kids have cigarettes, if they have age verification and you do the right thing at home... >> you talk about age verification. what difference does it make when there's no restriction on what age child can buy the product. >> compared to what, gun louse >> no, compared to nothing. you talk about age verification as if there's a barrier. the reality is kids are permitted to buy this. i'm wondering what gatekeeper it is. >> 40

dealing with ron emanuel and david axelrod, he understands the politics of it. >> let's talk about the politics. gates talks about how he was at ads with barack obama's controlling inner circle. he hasn't seen anything like it since kissinger and nixon. in one ex-cert he said: -- excerpt he said: >> i want to hear what you think general, and larry, you have both served in administrations. is this unusual as to how much politics determined national security decisions? >> well, i don't think it's surprising at all that in the first two years of an administration, especially for a president that ran on getting out of one war and trying to reform another, that there'll be that level of micromanagement coming from the west wing. that is something that i suspect secretary gates understood what happened at the beginning of administration. it's not something we want to see in public servants, that level of micromanagement done by nonelected, not even appointed politicians. it's a fact of life and shouldn't be surprising. i don't think that g secretary gates was overly harsh, but just acknowled