ron finley, urban gardener and founder of the ron finley project, we call him the gangster gardener. roy choi, chef and restaurateur, good to have you guys here. >> thank you, thank you. >> i want to have a conversation. it seems to me, which i think is a good thing, that -- across the country there is a growing conversation about what some call food justice. food justice. you don't like that phrase? >> because there is no such thing as food justice. >> okay. >> let's call it what it is. food injustice. >> okay. >> i go to these colleges and talk to people like, who works in food justice? there's no such -- you don't, you work in food injustice. until we flip that to where it's just, then you work in that. let's call it what it is. >> i'm glad you jumped in. where i was going with that, some people don't even call it food justice. they call it food apartheid. >> that's right. >> it's not a natural ecosystem, it's a manmade, segregated problem where people in certain communities have more, other communities have less. the question i want to start with is what's happening in the countr

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