ron fornay wrote, president obama made a compromise, farther than republicans, but noticing who is at fault doesn't fix the problem. to quote billy joel, you may be right, mr. president, but this is crazy. they pushed back, saying it is even outright stupid, to think that republicans would want to talk to obama, the conversations wouldn't do any good. the president's agenda would be passed without breaking gridlock, somebody has to be the grow-up here, let it be the president. that is not the problem with the argument, the problem with the argument is the idea that the president should move away from a popular plan because a minority party wouldn't compromise on it. what it says is the boundary of what is politically acceptable, the bar for which we set, for the people who win elections, is the bar that the party who lost the election -- this can't possibly be right, i don't think. but i'm going to find out, because joining me now is chris hayes, host of "up with chris hayes". >> you well be surprised and shocked to know i think it is ridiculous. it perfectly illustrates the problem o