ron haskins as well as senator jim talent. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you. this is a panel from the perspective of congress. [inaudible conversations] >> this is a panel of the winners. we don't have winner. my name is mickey kaus, i covered welfare for the new republic, i thought i was covering it. i saw the democratic side not so much the republican side so i have a lot to learn here. my job mainly consists of calling haskins on the phone and he would say i have a big problem but i'm going take care of it and it seemed like ron never lost. [laughter] >> it was pretty extraordinary and also i learned that every other reporter in town was doing exactly the same thing so it's not special access to ron, he controlled the entire press core of washington. so we really have a good panel from the congressional perspective. we have ron who to be what mr. weaver took panel of low salience where people went when they were freshman and produced the major piece of legislation of the clinton administration. we have robert rector at the heritage foundation was the prime

you got to be on the up and up and make a presentation, so ron haskins goes over there to check it out comes back to representative