ron hubbard? >> well, david and no one hubbard are different in one way, which is that david growth in scientology and l. ron hubbard did not. you can't say that david is not a creation of scientology because he joined it when he was a young teenager. he joined the sea org when he was 16 after dropping out of high school. is entire adult life, and most of his entire life has been lived inside this organization. so he is -- said he is a manifestation of a. although many ex-members think that he has taken the church away from the original teachings of l. ron hubbard. every religion faces an existential moment when the founder dies. and whether it's brigham young or paul, after christ or whoever. it's going caching is the religion is going to survive because of the success or it's going to perish because the charismatic founder is now gone. david miscavige did save scientology when he got the tax exclusion to the church would not exist if it weren't for the. however, the church is in disarray now, in

ron hubbard's mind you go. on the crazy question if we were in another culture, aboriginal culture anthropologist talk of schizophrenia as the shaman disease. those who have experiences in our culture reid would say they're crazy and need medication but in other cultures and times people who had extraordinary mental breakdowns come back and feel like they he healed the cells that is the people they go to i think it'll run harvard somehow saw himself that way he had of a theory of his life as the truth that he was so heroic veteran of world war ii and he was so badly injured he was crippled msn could not help him so he developed his own techniques appealing that is what you called in to lew dianetics and the route of scientology. the record shows he was never injured. he did have conjunctivitis. [laughter] but there is nothing seriously wrong. the idea of the shaman journey is buried in the legend he created about himself. was see a con man? this is probably the most common perception of the old ron hubbard. i t

ron hubbard. [laughter] so what do scientologists believe? basically that we're all extraterrestrial beings called "thetans" trapped in an earth body, after galactic leader xenu brought the thetans here, stacked them up around volcanos, and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. i'm sorry, jimmy, is that correct in my prompter? that is kind of, wow -- wow, bit of a stretch. wait 'til i tell my priest about this before he intercedes with god for me who then forgives my sins after i say a prayer whatever number of times the priest told me to. [laughter] [cheers and applause] unfortunately, the church has had some recent public relations problems. for instance, it seems scientology president david miscavige believes in tough love, without so much of the love part. [laughter] jim? >> marty wrathbun, who used to work directly under david miscavige, says there's been a culture of violence within the leadership of the church, the culture encouraged by miscavige himself. >> miscavige is portrayed as a ruthless and cruel leader, at times using physical vio

ron hubbard's works in unison. they would have a big piece of butcher paper and you would read from those, then we had to learn it so well we could do it without the paper there. >> he'd gone to china and he'd seen this happening in chinese schools and liked the idea of it? >> yes, he thought that was an effective way of teaching, i guess. but essentially we were learning things and to learn them verbatim without examining the information. >> you feel completely brainwashed? >> when i look back, definitely. i didn't know what i liked or what kind of person i was. i was just basically a robot of the church. >> let's take a break. let's come back and talk about the celebrity aspect of this. because tom cruise, john travolta and others have tried to make it sound like a really sexy thing to be part of, but there's clearly a sinister side to this. i wonder if celebrities got treated differently to people like you. >>> i think it's a privilege to call yourself a scientologist. it's something that you have to earn becaus

ron hubbard food is basically controlling what people eat. then we had the grocery conglomerate.al-mart leads the pack along with kroger and target, but ballmer is by far the largest. one out of every three grocery dollars goes to wal-mart. wal-mart has more wealth. a lot of clout and collar. it canisius political and economic power to basically dictates who in farm policy. they speak with one voice and they decide what the pesticide regulation should be, every aspect of our food system partnered with the biotech industry, which is also become so powerful that it can basically buy public policy. food and water which we which we did a report on biotech industry. turns out there's 100 biotech companies lobbying full-time. and that does, dave hyatt 13 former members of congress and 300 former staffers of the white house and congress. the biotechnology industry has a lot of clout. wal-mart and monsanto are really partnering up in some ways. one of the ways was recently with genetically engineered sweet corn. you remember this from last summer. i know a lot about their consumer group