ron hubbard. >> stephen: is he dead?nds his body is dead. >> stephen: where is the rest? ( laughter ) >> stephen: i mean, angels -- don't continue to put yourself in the same category. it's very different. have you seen "1984"? >> stephen: yeah. would you call that a religion? >> stephen: no, that's a fascist regime that crushes the face of a man forever underneath the hobnail boot. that's what it's described as, yeah. >> exactly. >> stephen: okay. so -- these are not people going on our program to gain notoriety or fame. these are people going up, appearing on our show, knowing they will be shunned and attacked. within hours of our show airing, people have hate web sites built on them from scientology. do you know another religious organization that does that. >> stephen:? >> stephen: am ill going to have a hate web site for having you on? >> a little bit, you're towing the line a little bit is that why? >> you're saying, well, is it like other faiths, is it -- so you could be kind of forgiven but unless you make an act