. >> welcome back, chicago's mayor, ron immanuel, says that if the city doesn't change retirement benefitsnd changes, chins will see a cut in vital services, and do you see a way forward here where everybody gives in a little to mitigate some of the damage. >> you have to understand, the city doesn't have the same problems that are just with the state of illinois. the state of illinois is paying 20 cents on the dollar toward their pension plans, and the city of chicago is paying 5 or 6 cents. we're going to have to pay $300 million more. to suggest that the city doesn't have room in order to pay is ludicrous. i think when we all sit down and work together, we are going to be able to come up with a solution that's fair to everybody involved. but obviously, what's important to me is upholding article 13, not reducing or diminishing benefits for current employees. there's nothing to take for us. most of us don't have 3%. we have 1 and a half percent for age 60. >> chicago, stockton, san bernardino, and riverside, and san jose and new york, they have some pension problems. but talk about the n