bring in ron insana senior adviser to schroeder's, and it is good to see you. >> thank you. >> good news on the gdp. maybe not awesome news on mortgage rates, right? how should we be thinking about the economy right now? especially when it comes to this concern about, are we in a recession, are we going to hit a recession, if we do, is it going to be really bad or just mildly bad? >> almost when i answer yes to all of those questions, we're not in a recession right now, the unemployment rate is at 3.5%. and employers are still struggling to find workers, which is more typical of an economy that is growing. however, as you mentioned, with mortgage rates as high as they are, the highest since about 2001, real estate itself is in recession. and the gdp numbers, as you say, rebounded from two negative quarters earlier in the year, and it was good news inside that report, on the inflation front, where inflation has cooled considerably, by at least one measure. however, as you indicate, some forward-looking indicators suggest a recession may be on the horizon, particularly if the federal reser