scott walker, ron johnson, paul ryan.d that run for office and gorn like they campaign. that's what you have to do. >> in looking at what's gone on with the republican party and the senate there seems to be a deep divide between some republican senators and some other republican senators. it looks like a hard one to mend. >> well, look, these guys like harry reid and the senators. >> he's a democrat. i'm talking about republican senators. >> i understand. they will understand the wrath of the tea party and republican party in 2014 when obamacare is tattooed on their forehead and they have to explain in red states what they did. as far as the republican party is concerned, look, some of the this stuff is way overblown. i was in a lunch just yesterday with all of the u.s. senators on the republican side of the aisle. the ted was there and mike lee was there and people were talking about procedure. this is not like -- you know, there is no -- people aren't throwing spit balls. they are having normal, decent conversations abo

joining me in the studio is republican ron johnson from wisconsin and on capitol hill, democrat mark warner of virginia. gentlemen, thank you both for being with us. before i ask you, senator johnson, about the spending bill, let me ask you about what senator cruz did. 21 hours on the floor. you did not speak out in support of him. do you think what he's done is helpful to the republican goal of defunding obamacare, the president's health care reform? >> well, judy, i appreciate any effort that highlights, really, the harm that obama is going to do to our health care system, what-to-our economy, to average americans. so, listen, when somebody's sitting on the floor for 21 or 22 hours, you're certainly drawing attention to the law that republicans are totally united in wanting to repeal it, defund it, to do whatever we can to limit the damage to the american economy caused by the health care law. >> woodruff: did he help that cause? >> i think he probably did. we've certainly -- this whole defund effort has certainly raised the issue of obamacare, together with the fact that unions now

>> some do. >> do you think squloerj is, ron johnson?>> some may do. >> do they the think scott walker, charles krauthammer is a rhino ? >> yes. >> who are these people? >> let me explain to you -- >> but -- >> and anybody listening. >> all right. >> the charles krauthammer is not a true republican and if paul ryan is not a true republican and if tom coburn is not a true republican and scott walker is not, i have bad news for them. they are in the wrong party. they are the ones who are not republicans. >> that's the all well and good, joe . >> is it true? would you agree it is? >> i would agree it's the true. what i'm saying, trying to get you to understand -- >> what are you trying to get me to understand? talk slowly for me. that would help. >> he went to alabama. >> i'm not trying to talk down to you. >> you're not tying to. you just are. >> you need to get in where people are. instead of looking at this from up here. >> that's my problem. i look from up here. >> i'm trying -- you know, i need to be in the streets with the people like

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. >> joining me now, senator bob casey, a democrat from pennsylvania and ron johnson, a republican. let me get your reaction to that. both countries don't -- are worried about the spread of terrorism, they are both worried about chemical weapons. is that why -- we'll start with you, senator casey, why you believe that russia came to the table? >> well, i think that's part of the equation here, candy. but i think far too much time has been spent on this op-ed by president putin. we shouldn't spend any more time on it. what we should focus on is making sure we do everything possible to make this framework agreement viable and to make it work. i have a lot of doubts about it. i have real concerns about the ability of either side to effectuate this. the assad regime has a deadline in a week to give information about where these sites are, give every last detail about where they are and if they don't doe that, we have to remind them or remind the world that the credible threat of force is still on the table. that's what got us to this point and we have to make sure that mr. assad knows t

. >>> republican senator ron johnson, member of the foreign relations committee. thank you so much for joining us, senator. >> morning, kristen. >> just to get you on record, if the vote were held today, how would you vote? >> i haven't decided because there's so many unanswered questions. really, what is the main goal? what are the specific objectives? what are the strategies to achieve those objectives. quite honestly, are we prepared for the repercussions? i heard the earlier reports, russians are moving ships into the mediterranean. are we really committed to the fallout from action? there's so many unanswered questions. what's unfortunate, i have not heard the administration from my mind make the real case of why this is in the national security interest of america. from my standpoint it's because chemical weapons stockpiles, we have rebel forces now infiltrated by al qaeda, what is to happen -- what would happen if those chemical weapons fell in the hands of al qaeda backed rebels. that's the national security interest and we're not addressing it of there's

one senator who disagrees about action in syria is senator ron johnson.rning. >> you've been opposing this for a while. hard to think there's anything the president can say anything to change your mind. >> i think there's an opportunity to galvanize world opinion about this heinous regime. military action that does not have that world wide support with divert attention away from those war crimes and really give our foes and adversaries an opportunity to really direct attention on what would almost be unilateral action by america, which would not be particularly effective. i think we need to really push the russians, anybody that would support the assad regime. now that the russians have come out against the use of chemical weapons, this is one way of achieving the deterrence, we need to really push for as strong a u.n. resolution as possible to deter that future use and see whatever we can do to secure those chemical weapons stock piles. >> it sort of does put us back in an echo of past periods, doesn't it, where the u.n. was there to try to enforce some

you are talking with senator ron johnson. republican. -- ler co- caller: my opinion actually change the view a few seconds ago. being someonern, who was laid off, my husband and taking such a significant cut in our finances and being offered health care just for myself is $482, and we have three children. so it is like we have to break, -- split the children up on different health-care plans and things like that. becauseotional for me our government is just crumbling. that is what it seems like, you know? i just really hope you guys do something to help us. i know a few seconds ago -- i am sorry. depend one should not our government, but we pay you guys. we pay you guys to protect us. to just do what we need you guys to do. and i really think that if we -- going our hands back toward the u.n. stuff -- helping these other countries. american needs to help america right now. and if there are more republicans like you in the senate, i think that we could get it done. guest: regina, first of all, i appreciate your comments. i tal

senator ron johnson, secretary paul wolfowitz. we appreciate. now, let's look at how stocks and oil are reacting to a possible attack on syria. and what you need to look out for. that's next up. later in the show, we're going to talk about the other major battles brewing in washington. it would be the threat of a government shutdown over the soon to expire continuing budget resolution. there's a related threat of the default on our debt ceiling. this whole story could get ugly and more complex. don't forget, folks, free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. i hope whatever fiscal policies we have they're at least pro growth. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. >>> the dow was up more than 100 points until a little before noon when it tumbled into negative territory. that's when speaker john boehner announced his support for military action in syria. brent and wti crude oil also climbed to session highs at the same time. was wall street sending a message to washington? joining us for the rest of the hour, ron krish efsky, ceo of stiff'll

courts with jp penny about whether they can even use the name, the deal struck by the previous ceo ron johnson, this ten-year deal virtually being scrapped it looks like because the martha stewart bath and bed linens have been replaced by liz claiborne brands and other in-house brands, as well. looks like you may have to change your bed linen from the martha stewart inspired stuff to snoopy. >> we might have some. >> i thought as much. >>> to twitter. listen to this, steve. a haunted house in pennsylvania encouraging visit attorneys get the their thrills. my take, a bad idea. we want to know what other things would not be fun naked. #waytoonude. we'll put the best answers on the air later in the show. >>> still ahead, the cardinals, michael wacha, wacha, wacha, does he get it and miley says she's done twerking. why she's losing her signature move, maybe because it's gross. that story and a check on weather when "way too early" comes back. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you'r

you wonder if at some point ron johnson's vision, if they can keep the cash going, right, if his visionay turn out to be right. will he be ultimately vindicated. >> is the johnson vision and the ullman vision the same? >> no. johnson was no discounting, no coupons, hip it, modernize it, change the logo. logo is a big discussion there. >> changed the logo. >> that was a real change of logo, by the way. >> ron johnson also introduced -- i think i went to one in richmond, virginia, had a se forea in the middle of the store. sephoras a high-end chain of stores and they had one in the jcpenney and it was getting decent traffic when i was there. to somewhat extent are they going to be successful and do you credit ron johnson or if mike ullman changes things up a little bit how does that picture t it? >> another retail story here but i'm sure courtney would have an opinion on jcpenney as well but she's covering a different story. numerous walmart employees and supporters will participate in nationwide protests today. the workers seeking better jobs and higher pay. they want 12 bucks an hour on

host: here is clyde from virginia, on with senator ron johnson. caller: hello, senator ron johnson. how are you doing? guest: good. and yourself? caller: good. this insurance thing. go, obama. wow. he's going to fix health care. i thought they were going to maybe somehow get the hospitals and doctors to not charge so much. but for years and years, insurance has been like the -- a real problem with everybody. the doctors have to get a staff just to -- you fill out the forms for regular insurance. hospitals charge more. you know, even in my industry, i do heating and air conditioning. when the insurance is involved, you automatically charge a little bit more. hospitals, used to be, if you take your pet, now you have to have insurance for your pet. it's probably going to be mandatory. which mandatory is a term i wasn't really sure what it was, but i'm very sure what it is now. it seems like we see a lot of mandatory all the time. i just think personally years ago my wife had to go in the hospital and they paid -- it was like a $2,000 bill. i had insurance for years. first time she goes

locations throughout the country, a year after the design partnerships were announced under then-ceo, ron johnson. a question in recent months has been the confidence of jcpenn jcpenney's vendor community. in order for the business to survive, jcpenney must maintain the relationships between its suppliers and its design partners. while giggle baby merchandise is just now available for shoppers, founder ali wing says despite jcpenney's broader issues, the only, quote, crazy part of the past year has been the development of 200 new products for her jcpenney shop. >> we see some early numbers online, and i think some of their online are very quickly bound and having online perform is really encouraging to me what they can do as a brand. and absolutely, they're talking to us about this all the time. they've been great partners. >> we talk to our partners every day. we have amazing relationships with our vendor and supplier community. everyone's having the staple q3, the same year, in a lot of ways, and everyone's looking for more traffic. >> reporter: though jcpenney needs shopper traffic more now th

let's bring in republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin. a vote before the entire senate is expected next week. senator johnson joins us from his home state of wisconsin. thanks for being here. so you have over 100,000 killed in syria since this conflict started, over 6 million refugees when you count those displaced both inside and outside the country and now this argument that chemical weapons were used. you voted against this authorization but what do you say to people who say something needs to be done? >> i agree something does need to be done. it's a question of whether almost unilateral military action is the right strategy. i would argue it isn't. one of the problems with unilateral military action is it will take the focus of the world off of bashar al assad's crime against humanity and start focusing -- certainly our foes will point out that the u.s. is acting unilaterally. we need to garner the world opinion. i agree with president obama and secretary of state kerry that this is a world red line, humanity's red line but we haven'

but the other thing we're seeing is the overhang of the ron johnson/bill ackerman shares being gone, ron's ideas getting to be less important to penney's. mike's new product coming in and selling off the shelf and people recognizing and starting to work. >> i also think there is a momentum behind these big funds moving in to take long positions in j.c. penney. we can't deny some of the news we've seen about different companies upping their stake there. there's got to be some trading momentum we're seeing in the first few days of the month. we have that going in j.c. penney's favor as well. >> what could derail this and allow brian to win his bet with you over j.c. penney? >> very little could allow brian to win his bet. it seems unlikely we'll see real slowdown in consumer spending the better half of the year. i think we'll see better action in discretionary retail than what we've seen because cars and houses will be less important. and i think penney's will actually gain some market shares in the back of the year. >> why do you say cars and houses will be less important? >> because i

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was calling a lie on kerry's part was his testimony before the senate in which owe told senator ron johnsont the sway that al qaeda holds over the syrian rebel forces has diminished over time. not strengthened overtime. that's what putin was taking issue with. >> bill: okay. thank you for correcting me. i thought it was on the other end about the chemical weapons. all right, rosen. you will never be seen here again but i really appreciate you correcting me. [ laughter ] all right, cammeron, you are working on a story about all this syria business is obstructing the fact that the united states of america doesn't have any money. is that correct? >> well, basically, nothing is getting done. it's a total mess in washington. there are a whole series of things pressing and none of it is being attended to. government funding actually rupps out 20 days from now. instead of passing next year's spending bills, congress is again going to kick it down the road. just today, the bipartisan house and senate leadership has scheduled a crisis meeting for tomorrow. house republicans had wanted to stop gap me

senator ron johnson, a republican who serves on the senate foreign relations committee. senator, thank you very much for taking the time. i want to play, again, because i know the viewers just saw this but you did not, but "the new york times" video of the syrian opposition. it's so powerful i wanted to play it for you. here it is, sir. [ speaking foreign language ] [ gunfire ] >> senator johnson, of course, that was syrian rebels standing behind shirtless members of the assad army who are lying on the ground and then those gunshots as they kill them. what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's horrific. of course, that makes the decision even more difficult. erin, let's face it, i don't envy president obama having to grapple with these extremely difficult and complex issues in syria. and so it's -- these are enormous and difficult issues. my problem is, in terms of deciding how to vote on these resolutions, in 25 hours after we started hearings in the senate, we were asked to vote on that. there are far too many questions that remain unanswered. what i intend to do over

we're all waiting to see what for example, ron johnson does next but i get he gets a good gig.kes dick fuld different? >> funny, right? melissa: yeah. >> america is the land of second chances. anthony weiner got a second chance until he messed it up. melissa: until he proved to us he need ad third and fourth chance because he couldn't stop what he was doing. >> five or 10 years he will make a comeback. people in the financial sphere. i think there are two differences with dick fuld. you have people who say blew up a hedge fund and come back and have, they even, some people do it twice and get a third chance. john meriweather left solomon brothers after bond trading scandal. melissa: right. >> he came back at ltcm, almost brought down the world financial system, whoops. melissa: long-term capital management. another disaster. >> he is a smart guy who surrounds himself with smart people. dick fuld doesn't know how to do anything more. he is too far removed from the career out there to get to rise in his position. he is so radioactive -- melissa: right. >> he will not big in busin

ron johnson is with me now. before you put the budget, you ran a large business. they are implementing this thing. what do you want to watch for. what do you think may work to your surprise some. >> it will be extremely important. the reason you need a third of young healthy people is they need them to subsidize the younger and sicker people. they will be shocked at how expensive coverage will become because that subsidy. the other thing from the standpoint of employers, the incentive for employers long-term and probably in the short-term. do i pay $15,000 for a family kplan by the way is up $2500 rather than down trying to imply or do i pay the $2,000 or $3,000 penalty. i am not throwing them to the wolves. you have a family household income. >> this trend was happening anyway. >> but look at what rahm emmanuel is doing. the former chief staff is dumping chicago into the exchanges. president obama is famous. he said you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep it, period. that's not the truth. there will be broken promise after broken promise. >> is i

so now let's listen to what john kerry said at the senate committee in reply from senator ron johnson. >> what we know about the opini opposition? have we been tracking them for the last two years? it seemed like this is more of an impression to have as opposed to any exact knowledge but it seems like initially the opinion zilings was more western-leaning, democratic, and has time has gone by, it has become more infiltrated by al-qaeda. is that true? >> no. >> that's actually basically not true. it's basically incorrect. the opposition has increasingly become more defined by its moderation, more defined by the breadth of its membership and more defined by it's adherence to some, you know, democratic process and to an all-inclusive, minority-protecting constitution which will be broad-based and secular with respect to the future of syria. >> the head of outreach at the international study of radicalization at kings college joins us from london. thanks for being on the show. >> thank you. >> the question: is al-qaeda there or not? and if they are, how much of a push do they have in syri

senator ron johnson is here to go on the record, first, today's hearing. >> this is something that the united states as a country needs to do, i'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe my colleagues should support this call for action. >> syria is a cancer that's growing in the region. for two years the president has allowed this to become quite frankly a debacle. >> you're beginning the formal request of asking each of us to make the most important decision many of us will make during our tenure in the united states senate. >> do you consider the consequences of inaction greater than the consequences of action? >> i do. >> would you tell us whether you believe that a prohibition or having american boots on the ground, is that something that the administration would accept as part of a resolution? >> i don't want to take off the table an option that might or might not be available to the president of the united states to secure our country. the president has no intention and will not and we do not want to put american troops on the ground to fight this -- or be in

senator ron johnson is here to go on the record, first, today's hearing. >> this is something that the'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe my colleagues should support this call for action. >> syria is a

. >> now, republican senator ron johnson asked a series of question that is actually would have been on my list, almost word for word. and i'm wondering if you heard satisfactory answers, one of which rand paul has been trying to make. that is when senator johnson said, our stated goal is to move assad. why wouldn't we use this opportunity of military action toward that goal. did you hear a satisfactory answer to that? >> here is the answer i heard across several conversations, several briefings on that point. and i think this is complicated. we have two goals here, the short-term goal, what we are debating today and what the authorization seeks, the brief strike that continues to deter assad, and the use of chemical weapons on his own people. our own objective is to make sure assad leaves syria and the assad regime ends. but we shouldn't try to achieve that through military goals. to do that would require the kind of massive intervention that was required in the iraq war to remove saddam from power. instead, we heard today, and from senator johnson's questions and at other points in

locations throughout the country, a year after the design partnerships were announced under then-ceo, ron johnsonecent months has been the confidence of jcpenn jcpenney's vendor community. in order for the business to survive, jcpenney must maintain the relationships between its suppliers and its design partners. while giggle baby merchandise is just now available for shoppers, founder ali wing says despite jcpenney's broader issues, the only, quote, crazy part of the past year has been the development of 200 new products for her jcpenney shop. >> we see some early numbers online, and i think some of their online are very quickly bound and having online perform is really encouraging to me what they can do as a brand. and absolutely, they're talking to us about this all the time. they've been great partners. >> we talk to our partners every day. we have amazing relationships with our vendor and supplier community. everyone's having the staple q3, the same year, in a lot of ways, and everyone's looking for more traffic. >> reporter: though jcpenney needs shopper traffic more now than it ever has be

. >> in 45 minutes on "washington journal, quote senator ron johnson of wisconsin, a member of the budget committee, discusses the health-care law and efforts to avert a government shutdown. , congressman jim moran of virginia, appropriations committee member, also discusses the health-care law and the debate over the federal budget. the effects the current budget debate could have on future political campaigns. our guest is josh kraushaar. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] host: good morning, this is forhington journal" september 24. the president heads to the united nations today to deliver a speech expected to address specific international concerns such as syria, iran, and the middle east and you can see it on c-span at 10:00 today. with the speech as background, several stories in the paper this morning, we want to give your opinion on the role of the united nations, especially as it plays out in international affairs. you can get your thoughts on the role of the u.n., especially in

. >> let me play a little of what senator ron johnson of wisconsin had to say this morning on msnbc.'s listen in. >> really, what is the main goal? what are the specific objectives? what are the strategies to achieve those objectives? then, quite honestly, are we prepared for the repercussions? >> so the series of questions there. let's take it at if the evidence that you've seen is accurate, we know this consists of blood samples and hair, even still the u.n. has not completed its investigation. we know that. we also know from the very beginning, sir, that it is quite clear chemical weapons have been used, but the argument for at least some is that there's no proof of who used those chemical weapons. with all of that said, going back to senator johnson's questions that i think a lot of people want to know, the average american, what are the repercussions? even if this is a limited and strategic strike we are to see in our future. >> well, first of all, i have no doubt he used them. i have no doubt that he used them before on other occasions. but no question that he used it in this c