thank you both for joining me tonight. >> hi, lawrence. >> thank you, lawrence. >> ron kerry, i wanted to get your take on the status of the bachmann campaign at this point. does that new york post item today make sense to you that she's in trouble financially and may be running out of gas soon? >> michele's always had trouble raising money from fund-raiser that can give more than $5,000. the life blood of her campaign is the small donor and she has largest donor file of any conservative candidate, whether it be congress, senate or any activist. so, she has a wide spectrum of people to draw upon. the question is, will they still give? are they going to write that $25 check if they think her campaign is dead in the water? i guess the next 30 to 60 days will show whether or not they still believe enough in her campaign versus cain, santorum or somebody else to make sure their $25 check goes to her and not one of the other candidates. >> ron, i just want to read something you wrote earlier in the year. of your experience working for bachmann. you said the bachmann campaign and congression

and ron kerry. you think it would be a mistake for chris christie to get in the race?> i just think it's too late. too much time has passed by. it is hard to build a successful campaign. the scrutiny he would be under, every mistake he would make and every candidates makes mistakes, it would be piling on. candidates need an a on ramp. especially in the instant era we live in with the internet. i think it's too late for him. >> it's interesting, dana, because people say i'm not interested in running, then they turn out running. he's actually saying i'm not ready to be president. that's pretty definitive. what's behind all this talk? wishful thinking on the part of some republicans? >> well, the word choice that chris christie uses is really interesting to me because he's always said, i'm not ready to be president yet. i'm not ready, not yet. at some point it might be in the cards, but not 2012. i don't think he'll do anything until 2016. he still needs to fill his obligations to his constituents. he said, i don't have the fire in my belly. if there's one thing we can co

and dana loesch and ron kerry. think it would be a mistake for chris christie to get in the race? >> i just think it's too late. too much time has passed by. it is so hard to build a successful presidential campaign. the scrutiny he would be under, every mistake he would make and every candidate makes mistakes, it would be piling on. candidates need an on-ramp. especially in the instant era we live in with the internet. i think it's too late for him. >> it's interesting, dana, because people say i'm not interested in running, then they turn out running. he's actually saying i'm not ready to be president. that's pretty definitive. what do you think is behind all this talk? wishful thinking on the part of some republicans? >> well, the word choice that chris christie uses is really interesting to me because he's always said, well, i'm not ready to be president yet. i'm not ready, not yet. i think, at some point, it might be in the cards for chris christie, but not 2012. i don't think he'll do anything until 2016. he

>> this insider his name is ron kerry, he's michele bachmann's former chief of staff. now, let me just set this up. you know that rick perry and michele bachmann basically almost trying to play to their supporters who's more conservati conservative. michele bachmann criticized rick perry on monday at our tea party debate about the 2007 executive order that he signed requiring young texas school children, girls, to get this hpv vaccine to prevent cervical cancer. okay, michele bachmann has been hitting him on that saying, you know what, basically implying would a real conservative do this? on tuesday on "today" show michele bachmann went on and said, i heard from a woman who told me that her daughter took this hpv vaccine and then suffered from mental retardation afterwards. now, health experts say that that's just not possible. so, it this sounds like a gaffe from michele bachmann. but take a listen at that former chief of staff that i just mentioned, take a listen at what he had to say about his boss. >> her impulsive nature coupled with the fact that she sometimes do

big long statement about ron paul came out against reagan and people are starting to take notice i think the more interesting thing is is what this is going to do to kerry's campaign like what the allegations are thank you if anything i don't know what you really i think that kind of you know that's been out there for a while i feel like you know a lot of people have tried to throw that at perry before for supporting al gore like even before he announced it i was immediately was one of the talking points as to what might be a problem during his campaigning but it isn't black and white and sets a slow dramatically. by the way if you just close your eyes it's the most spectacular it's like it's like a movie preview i'm sure that there are a lot of ron paul supporters that you know play before they go to bed at night and when they do come don't whine again it was in the context of a sudden says time so the one i love of. god was story of it just this one just cracks me up and apparently cracks up the rest of the world's existing and so many new sites a frenchman has been ordered to pay out about fourteen thousand dollars to his ex-wife who's divorcing him fo