both ron klain and the president did that. they're obviously seeing some usefulness and need to have allies on the other side of this sort of disinformation divide in this country. >> absolutely. yeah, i think the message may be we can still do hard things in this country, but we're making it harder than we should to do hard things. by the way, i think america is so fortunate to have ron klain in that chief of staff seat given the variety of crises we have. no, i think there are still democrats, you know, a handful of progressives maybe that are not vaccinated but the data is pretty clear where most of the unvaccinated people lie ideologically. so i think to lift up -- and mitch mcconnell has been from the very first day just steadfast. he has been terrific on messages around vaccine. you are starting to see more republican governors do that. you are starting to see more members of congress not just say you should get vaccinated, some of them like steve scalise finally saying now is the time to get vaccinated. so, yes, i think

the chief of staff, ron klain is particularly interested in this.on has been trying to look for non-traditional candidates. you get a lot of federal judges who are prosecutors or come from big law firms like ron klain does. some of the biden nominees, they're focussing on civil rights litigators, public interest prosecutors. and what's interest, when they announce their nominations they'll say this is the first woman from this state or give the first, point out this is another part of the administration's agenda where they're making equity and progress a priority. >> and, of course, this push with the federal judiciary, which is terrific reporting by axios comes amid a backdrop about questions about a possible supreme court vacancy if justice briar does retire sometime next year which many democrats hope he will while they have all three houses. >>> thank you for putting up with me and getting up way too early with us this friday morning. enjoy your weekend, stick with us. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> the official motto for this year's olympi

is it ron klain, the chief of staff? is it susan rice? probably not kamala harris her at her as vp has been a debacle, a disaster, according to a new political report, 22 staffers are no speaking out about the dysfunction inside the vice president's office. it's only been six months, six months, that's it. you're already complaining. a backstabbing, disorganization, toxic behavior, one staffer called it a abusive environment. others said it was an unhealthy workplace where people are treated like you can fill in the blank there, folks. and it's not roses, by the way. according to these whistle-blowers, it starts at the top. less than six months into this administration, and it's already not going well. now, president trump appears poised to potentially make some major political weights. >> let me ask the crowd of everybody here, would you like to see the president running in 2022? without giving what the answer is, have you made up your mind? >> yes. [cheers and applause] >> i think you got an idea. if you move forward, you know how diffi

and cara, you actually spoke with the white house chief of staff ron klain on your podcast about facebook. here is what he said. >> i said directly we gather groups of people that have not vaccinated and ask them and they why and tell us things that are wrong and untrue and we ask them where they've heard that, the most common answer is facebook. >> given that, is there any question the misinformation is huge on these platforms and are they doing a lot to stop it? >> they are doing a lot and putting out good information about covid and everything else, it's not not true. the problem is the lies and the flood of information, misinformation and the people that play this system, which on lots of topics on election lies, fraud, all kinds of things. i mean, there are so many different things they have to deal with. the problem is they allow unfettered speech on these platforms and they're allowed to but they cause damage and that's the problem and so one of the things that's hard to do is when they say they give out information and they do. they absolutely do. it's like putting a sandbag in fr

here is how ron klain talked about you on "the sway" podcast. >> i think the coalition that mr.ther in new york is not dissimilar to the coalition that president biden put together. a coalition of working-class voters, african-american voters over whelmingly, and voters that want to see progress on core issues. >> number one is that a fair assessment, and if it is, a blueprint to success in your view, are you concerned there are other democrats not following that? >> well, yes, i do believe ron is accurate. and not only must we have the right message, but we have to get things done. you can't have a city with 65% of black and brown children not needing proficiency. and i believe there is an arm of the democratic party that feels as though we should disban police departments. that is not accurate for where the voters are and those i represent. in brownsville, south jamaica queens, even chicago. they believe we should not partner with corporations. we need to expand our city and make sure we have growth and a tech and high income earners. $65,000 people in the city pay income taxe

ron klain says he raised the issue of covid-19 lies on the plat for me. >> i think facebook itself hasnd vaccines and so on and so forth. but i've told mark zuckerberg directly that when we gather groups of people who are not vaccinated and we ask them why aren't you vaccinated and they tell us things that are untrue, and we ask where they've heard that, the most common answer is facebook. >> so facebook has promised to do better at stopping the flow of misinformation and conspiracy theories and it's on them now to follow through. >>> next, indicted. the trump organization and its cfo facing charges tonight. stay with us. oh! don't burn down the duplex. terminix. you know when your dog is itching for a treat. itching for an outing... or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help... licking for help... or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. don't wait. talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. no, he's not in his room. ♪ dad, why didn't you answ

ron klain, a man you probably know, president biden's chief of staff said the coalition mr.lition that president biden put together. do you agree with that comparison? >> yes, i do. i believe there's some real similarities that i think we have allowed a different tone of what i believe democrats really want. they want safe cities, safe streets. they want places where we can educate our children. and we really have moved away from the core of that. i said it and i'm going to continue to say it. i'm the face of the democratic party, of african-americans, caribbean, white working class people. working class americans. they want a city and cities to be safe and productive for children and families. that is what i represent and that is what i'm going to do as i continue on this campaign trail. >> we only have 20 seconds, but when some say defund the police, you say what? >> i say that's the wrong way to go. we cannot keep our cities safe with slogans. public safety is a prerequisite to prosperity and we can get justice and safety, they go together. that is my life work and i'm go

chief of staff ron klain tweeted this. vaccinations are picking back up. about 790,000 in the past 24 hours per cdc report might be the biggest 24-hour period since early july. thanks to everyone involved. dr. anthony fauci says the unvaccinated are causing america to go in the wrong direction. let's watch. >> it's like we have two kinds of america. we have the very vulnerable unvaccinated part and we have the really relatively protected vaccinated part. so if you are vaccinated, you are really in a very different category than someone who is not vaccinated. >> harris: before i get to the next thing i want you to give me your thought line thoughts on what you've just heard. >> i think he is not taking into account the emotions and fear of the situation. it is not about scolding people. it is about asks asking them why you aren't taking the vaccine. someone that i think should have it. this person -- is a healthcare worker that seen everybody getting sick with covid found out someone in her family had a side effect from the vaccine. that's what is in her he

. >> ron klain tweeted, vaccinations picking up.ight be the biggest 24-hour period since early july thanks to everyone involved. obviously he's trying to take a different approach. he's trying to talk positively. what do you make of that? is it a little too pollyanna for you? >> i think he is whistling past the grave. the delta variant is remarkably contagious. the alpha variant, which certainly took over from that first variant, this variant is a hundred times more virus shed from the upper respiratory track than the alpha variant. and we're heading into winter. i think that this is a confluence of events that is going to be tough. the delta variant, winter, and a relatively unvaccinated population, i think it's going to be a rough winter. i hope we can have a vaccine for children before we hit late fall, early winter, meaning children 5 to 12 years of age, but we might not. if i was the parent of a 10-year-old right now, i'd be scared to send my child to school. >> well, i have an 11-year-old and we're all very concerned. the whit

with ron klain as white house chief of staff, and joe biden as president, the biden klain machete team is unmatched in the history of white house legislative experience. the senator -- the traditional thing in these situations, by thanking people, in the other party and in the white house, who he had been working with, but this time, this time he knew with every word he spoke tonight, he was defined donald trump who, just this, morning threatened the republican senators again this time calling them, quote, weak foolish, and. dumb >> we worked very closely with the white house on this, and, in fact some of them and i have been negotiating with the white house in addition to our colleagues, and i want to thank them. i want to thank steve brush eddie who has taken the lead for the white house. and president biden. >> and then this happened with -- >> i'm very pleased with our building tonight to move on with russia's legislation and to continue to demonstrate that -- >> one question. it is the white house calling, so we need to get going. that's steve. i shun answer while we are here. >>

and so that was part of the question there, too, earlier today, we know that the chief of staff ron klain has gone directly to mark zuckerberg of facebook that saying a lot of times when they talk to people about where they see the misinformation about vaccines, people tell them facebook. >> stand by, we're going to get back to you. i know you have more news developing over at the white house as well. in the meantime, i want to get analysis of dr. paul, thank you so much for joining us. how important is it that the white house be actively engaged in this fight against coronavirus misinformation right now? >> i think very important. i mean, you would have thought that the hard part about getting people protected from this virus would have been constructing the virus, which is done in eleven months or mass producing the vaccine, or mass administering the vaccine. it's not. the hardest part is getting people to take the vaccine. the white house has taken the lead in trying to solve the major problems. one was access, which i think their door-to-door idea is a great one, the second is educati

we've been told they have an open line with ron klain.f staff, but will it be enough to make them vote for this, to swallow this? that majority is not guaranteed going forward. >> that's one of the key questions going forward. can nancy pelosi keep democrats in line, especially as you have seen some progressives already out the gate criticize this agreement and signal the reservations. can they move it through the house without making any significant changes that will kick it to the senate and jeopardize the deal. and separately, there is a deal track that president biden has said he will pursue for what democrats are referring to as human infrastructure. other key domestic priorities like paid family leave, expanding medicare. that's a $3.5 trillion package that will also need to have support from every democrat in the senate to pass it through reckon stilluation. all eyes will be on senators joe manchin and koiersten cinema. >> that's where it's important. on this day where it's a big deal and you think all of washington says a long way

. >> i think you hear ron klain saying this.e a lot of democrats who felt like after last year's elections, that the defund police really hurt them. they really got targeted. so democrats who are looking to take a more centrist message on policing, on crime, are really going to embrace this result. >> and i think we saw the head of the democratic house campaign arm endorse eric adams the day before the primary. what he said was, what adams had to say about this issue is really important. it is what voters wanted to hear. there is an issue, a problem that will get confronted. it doesn't mean we'll turn our back on the very real issues of accountability and reforms need to be done. that that was a balanced message that he said democrats should emulate. the issue other, than it is always a temptation to overread these, eric adams is a very sing hard candidate and it will be difficult for democrats to find other democrats who can carry that message as effectively as he did. he is a black man. he was beaten himself when he was a teen

the chief of staff ron klain put out a statement defending her, and sedgwick richmond has told us publicly, many leaks, politico did a story the other day about infighting and tensions between the president's office in the west wing. skepticism about sort of functionality of her operation and some of their decisions recently. and so this is a really unusual situation for this biden administration, because it really has been, as far as the west wing is concerned a leak-proof operation with a team that's known each other for many years working seamlessly together. the vice president's operation is viewed as quite different they had a number of missteps, including her recent visit to the border and it's a team of people who haven't known the vice president for very long. and again, this being quite unusual for this administration public airing of grievances and infighting and tensions within that operation. >> what should we expect next? how is harris' staff going to try to contain this sort of story? is there any coordination with the west wing in terms of trying to change the narrative, giv

fund cofounded by biden's chief of staff ron klain.him in a gop primary where candidates are trying to out-trump each other. he's making the same calculation a lot of ambitious republicans are making when they decide the pursuit of power is more important than principles even when it involved pesky things like inciting insurrection. but he's far from alone. this how low can you go limbo has been parlayed into power in republican leadership by elise stefanik. in 2016 she slammed trump's comments about women, gold star families saying, this is not who we are as a country. she opposed his plan to build the wall and coziness with all things kremlin. she voted to contest the election after our attack on the capitol and saw an opening when liz cheney condemned the big lie. remaking herself into a maga talking point machine. those criticisms apparently a big misunderstanding. hey, she didn't go after her family because that would be a deal breaker, right? unless you're george p. bush in texas, or ted cruz. it's worth remembering that he once

ron klain tells "the new york times" that he raised the issue of covid vaccine lies on the platform. find vaccines and so on and so forth. but i've told mark zuckerberg directly that when we gather groups of people who are not vaccinated and we ask them, why aren't you vaccinated, and they tell us things that are wrong, tell us things that are untrue, and we ask them where they've heard that, the mostdoetter at of misinformation and conspiracy theories, and it's on them now to follow through. >>> next, indicted. the trump organization and its cfo facing charges tonight. stay with us. i felt gross. it was kind of a shock after i started cosentyx. four years clear. real people with psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. learn more

most thing that would cause the most consternation at facebook, which was i had an interview with ron klainbout facebook's problems and then jen psaki talked about it and biden came through with the line, which is you're killing people. i think it is part of an effort to pressure the social media companies to do more around misinformation as they're seeing all kinds of obstacles in getting people to get vaccinated and social media is one of them. especially people who spent a lot of time on social media and sort of sit in these pools of conspiracy theories and use them as an excuse not to get a vaccine. so it is -- that's their version of trying to pressure facebook into doing something about it. that was my point in the article. >> but in terms of what facebook should be doing more, is there another platform that has done a better job of this issue such a whack a mole situation. facebook says it is playing offense, defense when what would you like to see facebook do? >> they have done a lot. they have done a lot they have done a lot of covid information that they put out, and then they hav

you've heard congressman jayapal say she has a direct line to ron klain. for me to believe honestly when push comes to shove the progressive wing of the party is going to sink any possibility of getting an infrastructure through, which obviously we've seen the white house has put so much political capital into. you haven't seen them do anything and push as hard on anything other than covid relief than this infrastructure bill. but it's going to be -- it's going to be a slog for sure because if any of these numbers change, the bill isn't written yet as far as i know. i haven't looked at my phone in the last 20 minutes. but if any of these numbers change, you can imagine that shift could cause problems in the senate with republican support. >> what about the big picture take away from the week, jackie? we saw washington working in some instances, right? >> right. >> we saw this bipartisan, 17 republicans joining senate democrats to move this thing forward, including, by the way, mitch mcconnell. we saw agreement also bipartisan ship on the bill wednesday to

let's say, republicans are in charge of the house and they decide that they want to subpoena ron klain and the current white house chief of staff, there's a stealing there on the democrats they want to be able to claim executive privilege. that's why a lot of these white house officials are going to do from the trump administration. there are some democrats cautioning and enforcing executive to testify who are working for a white house and that could backfire on democrats coming in the days three years forward. >> complicated stuff that's gonna be happening on the hill, peter, but in the meantime politico is reporting on the white house considering a mask mandate for some states. quote, officials are split on the merits of issuing new federal guidelines, with some fearing they'll be politicized and embolden republican tax. this camp believes are recommending proof of vaccination would raise a specter of vaccine passports, an increasingly potent conservative talking point and alienated stigmatized portions of the country where individuals have chosen not to get the shot. and they fear c

like that is where a lot of people are getting their misinformation from and the chief of staff, ron klainew york times" that when he spoke to mark zuckerberg in may. and he told him that every time we ask people, where are you getting this misinformation about vaccines? these misconceptions that you have about what they are going to do to you given we have been pushing how safe they are. he said, time and time again, they say facebook, which, of course, is a massive social-media platform. and so, that's another question that it's raising for them is how to handle misinformation on social media. >> yeah. kaitlan collins, appreciate it. thanks. >>> joining us now is dr. michelle until monday when she was fired, she was the tennessee government's top-vaccine official. she lost her job it appears for simply doing her job. she joins us now. doctor, appreciate you being with us. um, i -- i understand, so just last week, before you were fired, you received a disturbing amazon package at -- at your office. what -- what was in it? and what did you think when you received it? >> hi, anderson. thank

and then president biden and ron klain and others call a few months ago and say, well, the transition is done, now we are in your but we have hundreds of thousands of people still dying and we've got to reverse this course here once again you raise your hand and jump in. amanda is apparent to me. it is this public servant private sector in an out citizen legislative but not really legislated. what drives his raising a hand in the time of need? >> guest: well, on the one hand, i don't know how this sounds but if you like i own this country so much. i live and take advantage of so much freedom and privilege and opportunity, so to some extent it's not a stretch to say it feels like it's a duty but also feels to me like it's sort of in some ways people do it on different scales, different levels, different places. some no different than bringing your neighbor, something when they are sick or checking in on them. it's sort of what you do. makes you feel good because you are contributing. the older i get, the clearer it is that you don't get your good feelings from just kind of free will fu

i actually did an interview, about two weeks ago, with ron klain, the chief of staff to the biden administration. and he zeroed in on it, very quickly. it's that whenever they ask people why they're not taking the vaccine, it's always, i saw it on facebook that it does. and then, there's a laundry list of things that the -- the vaccine does. some of them really outlandish. like, that bill gates is injecting metal into your body and then it sticks to your neck. there is all kinds of crazy stuff on there. and so, it makes it really difficult to convince people when they are seeing this in -- on what is, essentially, the way people get news, these days. or most people get news. #. >> i mean, here's the question i have. did the white house wait too long to confront this? >> you know, i think they were working with them and trying to get facebook to give them more information about their algorithms and how much they're fighting misinformation. you know, the thing from facebook was interesting because of course they say we put out good information but that doesn't mean they should have bad information

. >> i want you to take a listen to what white house chief of staff ron klain had to say about your victoryto the coalition that president biden put together. a coalition of working class voters, african-american voters, overwhelmingly. and voters who want to see progress on core issues. >> do you agree, and do you see the biden/adams coalition, if you agree, of voters as the path to victory for democrats in 2022 and beyond. >> he just made a small mistake. he said similar to. i duplicated it. i was encouraged when i saw what the president did. and i knew what i was hearing on the ground that every day new yorkers, just like everyday americans. they wanted not a government of just an ideological approach, but a pragmatic approach. we want to be safe. we want to be employed. we want to be able to educate our children. when i saw the president speak a blue collar plain talk understood the need of everyday americans, i was encouraged. i stood my ground, and that was the pathway that i knew and the numbers really communicated clearly when i captured four of the five boroughs, everyday blue coll

think this is so much bigger than just what the administration is doing and the chief of staff, ron klain, kind of revealed this when he did an interview with "the new york times" on a podcast with kara swisher, saying he confronted mark zuckerberg directly over this, because a lot of time when they talked to people about vaccine misinformation and they asked when they get it, he said they often said facebook. so he brought this up with muar zuckerberg. it gives you an idea of how many different avenues the white house is trying to combat when it comes to people who haven't yet gotten the vaccine. >> all of this misinformation and also just a distrust overall of government. it makes you wonder, do you think more republicans would be more inclined to get vaccinated if the biden administration weren't so vocal about being hands-on. >> i haven't seen any data on that, but it's why you see the white house focusing on people who are closer to folks that don't want to get vaccinated, doctors, local people who they trust saying, go and get vaccinated. the white house has been very open about the

. >> i want to relay something the white house chief of staff ron klain said he told mark zuckerberg,uoting him here, i told mark zuckerberg directly when we have groups that are not vaccinated and we ask why aren't you vaccinated, they tell us things that are wrong, we ask them where they have heard that, the most common answer is facebook. that was him talking to kara swisher on sway which is her "new york times" podcast. do you guys have your arms around like in any empirical sense where people are or are not getting this information? >> well, we've looked at some of the data, chris, and what it tells us is there's no single source of misinformation. it's coming from a variety of sources. some of it is happening on social media platforms, some of it is coming through videos that are being shared, through text messaging platforms, it's coming through multiple sources, and that's why one of the issues that we laid out in the advisory and one of the calls to action we have put forward is to individuals to ask them to pause before they share on social media or text platforms to check t

white house is taking this so seriously that this morning in axios are on the record quotes from ron klain vice president harris is off to a great start. >> dana: a biden senior advisor said this is a whisper campaign designed to sabotage her from within her own office, howie? >> well, that has been known to happen. people who leak have their own agends. it says something that the vice president can't keep a lid on these leaks. we have to say in the last 48 hours some of it is drowned out by bill cosby walking out of prison. the trump organization indictment and the condo collapse. all the source were named a little challenging to follow up. a lot of reporters don't want to do anything to diminish their access to kamala harris. she is seen as the likely democratic frontrunner if she runs for president if 2024 or four years later. the media scrutiny here really matters. >> dana: it will only continue. they'll figure it out or they won't. governor andrew cuomo a few months ago every day had another sexual harassment allegation and deeply disturbing policies sendsing the nursing home individu

ron klain understands joe biden, he has been around for a long time.he is certainly -- he is not kpangtly a standard for the president, but he is an alter ego for inside of the west wing and on the hill, so that is the first part. the second part is just as a manager he keeps the trains running on time rapidly and predictably. and he is someone who has essentially been a heart be beat away from the job. so he has been very close to the job. so again, it is really a throw back or scale back to what we used to see in a job like this when the staff is essentially a manager that lead the white house and also spoke for the president. >> i really enjoyed the profile. i think that he is a steady hand, but i thought the republicans saying that he is saying he is the prime minister because that is what people said about jared kushner. what did republicans say to you on the background about ron clain? and is it really his competent that is a threat? >> it is kind of an old threat where people want to put this unelected power center into play here. essentially re