joining us now is ron kuby.el isikoff was at the trial this weekend and joins us live from our washington bureau. michael, we heard reports about some of the defendants reading magazines including the economist. it sounded chaotic. give us a sense what it was like in the courtroom. >> it's a pretty surreal experience to be down there in gitmo and first of all see the accused mastermind of the 9/11 plot, khalid shaikh mohammed and his four co-defendants. very much a contemptuousness of the whole affair, not answering the judge's questions, not even looking at the judge, refusing to put on head sets. ramzi bin al she had gets up and starts shouting about how the guards may be trying to kill us. another of the co-defendants asks for a full reading of the charges which stretches on for hours. the defendants pay absolutely no attention, talk among themselves, laugh. i mean, so the dynamic we're seeing where the defendants do everything they can to obstruct the process and offends the family members is something we're