here's the complaint from the ron paul complaint itself in a fundraising email under ron paul's nameent to supporters yesterday. dear liberty activists. at one point in the last hour of the cnn debate, blacking out almost took on a whole new meaning, meaning the blacking out of ron paul. they went on to say, you see, it goes on, it can be awfully hard to be on stage for nearly 40 minutes between speaking. yes, 40 minutes. that's how long the mainstream media tryied to keep my views out of the debate at one point. candidates can have whatever opinion they want on the issues or the media. but ron paul is simply wrong on the facts. we went back and looked at the tape and the clock. we're timing these things during the debate but we spent the last two days recounting. we didn't count the introductory statements which each candidate was allowed to make. to keep things simple, the clock started when the first candidate answered the first question. so ron paul's first answer was 6:22 into the debate. >> it raises revenues and the worst part of it is it is regressive. a lot of people aren't

as for the notion that there is a hidden bias towards ron paul, congressman paul has been on this programs more than all of the republican candidates and president obama combined. he's been on seven times more than everybody else combined. he's been open, he's been accessible to us, and is always a welcomed guest. and for the record, he's always welcome back, any time in the future. out of fairness, we should mention one other complaint from that fundraising e-mail. closing statements? well, some of the candidates got them. you can guess who did it. >> in fact, no one was asked to make a closing statement. everybody was asked to make a closing statement and they did. there was no plans for closing statements. all of the candidates in the agreed on a 90-minute campaign. they insifted on 90 minutes, no longer. two of the candidates, michelle back m bachmann asked for more time. the ron paul campaign may have a justified complaint with other reporters or network's treatments. i do not believe their attack is fair or accurate, just for the record. he's welcome back any time. >>> after the tra

ron paul would be fine with iran developing a nuclear weapon? which would be off the chart dangerous? >> well, fine is unfortunate choice... >> bill: i asked paul flat out what he would do. i got gobbley gook from him. then, he got mad because i won't let him give me a history lesson for three hours. he said a week ago, during a war, iran's israel, israel has a deal. that is insane. >> i disagree. what is your alternative? we're going to conquer? >> bill: a country two and a half times the size of iraq? yet to be invented nuclear weapon? >> bill: you can't do that, but you can blockade. >> we have sanction that's rarery worked they don't work. >> bill: there are a bunch of things you can do to send a message to iran this shot going to be accepted by us. paul's message is, go ahead.. >> those missiles can't reach us. >> bill: can't reach us? they can blow up ireland. come on. there is a lot of damage. >> you can invade a country or leave them alone good trust borders, armies don't. >> bill: i don't think americans are interested in trading with ir

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my guests tonight texas congressman and republican presidential contender ron paul will be joining us. ( applause ) on the show. i'm sorry. i meant rick santorum will be here. i apologize. quite different reactions on that. it's like we have an audience full of teachers of the year. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: playing hooky from what they're supposed to be doing. can their be truancy from a teacher of the year conference? "a dog ate my conference schedule." anyway congressman paul, of course, turning in another fine performance last thursday when the republican presidential candidates gathered in florida for the fox news google debate. the 83rd such debate so far this year following of course the previous cnn tea party debate, the reagan library debate, the history channel civil war recreationist debate, the tron debate. the "are you afraid of the dark" debate, and the "don't tell rick santorum we're canceling the debate" debate. by the way, santorum... ( cheers and applause ) yeah. santorum still came in fifth in that debate. things aren't going his way. so what can we possibly l

stand by for my interview with ron paul and newt gingrich on the race and ron paul's call for the president potentially to be impeached. and i'll get reaction from the liberal independent senator bernie sanders. and startling details in the fraud case against four men accused of one of the largest government contracting scandals in history. prosecutors say it cost you and me, all american taxpayers, $20 million. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." # >>> economists say there's no hints in the newest unemployment report that another recession is starting. 103,000 jobs were added to pay rolls last month. that's a stronger than expected increase. july and august figures were also revised upward as well as to show an additional gain of 99,000 jobs over the summer. the overall unemployment rate held steady at 9.1%. let's bring in our white house correspondent dan loathian. what is the white house saying about all the numbers heading into a senate fight over the jobs bill? >> reporter: wolf, top aides here at t

other big surprise is ron paul the live and let live libertarian comes out on top on a group of very socially conservative republicans. here are the results. paul, 37%. cain, 23%. santorum, 16%, perry only 8% tied with bachmann. romney only 4%. gingrich, 3%. huntsman, zero and undecided got more than huntsman. asked about the surprise win, tony perkins had head of family research council, they said its testing crowd. there were a lot of young people. mitt romney was speaking on the auditorium, ron paul was having a meet-and-greet, mostly young people, literally hundreds of people. paul also tried to tie his libertarianism to the teachings of jesus christ. he quoted one biblical passage, chapter one, verse 8 where he warned about the danger of kings. >> in samuel he knew he wasn't going to be around long, he advised the people of israel, the king he warned would not be generous. he would be undermine their liberties. there would be more wars and more taxes. >> reporter: he went on to say the governing body that most matters is their family. he said that we in washington have been payin

ron paul may have won the straw poll. the voters apparently there endorsed santorum as, you know, the potential president. so i wonder if all of this kind of underscores the real volat e volatility of the voters, that they're really quick to change their minds. >> no, absolutely. i think there are -- the volatility is really only -- is confined i think largely to one part of the republican party at this time. i wrote a piece this week in our new 2012 blog at "national journal" called the two republican races. >> yeah. >> if you look at the polling that's coming out, in particular, your polling this week, the cnn polling, the cnn "time" polling done in iowa, florida, south carolina, new hampshire, the four early states as well as the "des moines register" poll, they show a similar phenomenon. the republican party is divided exactly in half between those who consider themselves supporters of the tea party and those who don't. the tea party side is the ideological side and tends to overlap a lot with the evangelical christia

>> jon: did you see congressman ron paul on the show? you didn't see the whole interview.here's more. on the webb. "on the webb." does the failure of government to protect adequately though make it a failure of government having that responsibility? does their inability to do it effectively make it so that they shouldn't do it? >> in a way especially at the federal level, you know, under our constitution.... >> jon: aren't they a market system? wouldn't you rather have people regulating that are accountable to voters than corporations regulating themselves accountable only to shareholders? isn't our system... ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: yes. i guess you would say as unfair or maybe not as good as it could be at least they're accountable to us. >> but the regulations are stricter in the marketplace. for instance the regulations... the regulators have been very much involved in the housing industry. we have more mortgage companies. they had a big bubble. they made a lot of money because we wanted to make sure everybody had a house. well they go broke. the regulators got

>> yes. >> bill: but how can you sit there and say that when ron paul would be fine with iran developing nuclear weapon? which would be off the chart dangerous. >> fine is an -- >> bill: i asked paul flat out what he would do and i got a bunch of gobbledegook from him and then he got mad because i wouldn't allow him to give me a history lesson for three hours on the middle east. okay? and he said a week ago, well, israel -- drawing a moral eequivalency to them. they should be able to have them. that's insane! >> bill: i disagree with israel. but what's your alt -- >> but what's your alternative? we're going to occupy a country 2 1/2 times the size of iraq and pry -- >> bill: you can't do that. >> that's crazy. >> bill: you could blockade if you have to. you can do -- >> we have sanctions. they rarely worked. >> bill: they don't work. >> right. >> bill: there is a whole bunch of things you can do to send a message to iran that this is not going to be accepted by us. but paul's message is, go ahead. >> those missiles can't reach us, they can't -- >> bill: so blow up ireland! come on. i thi

we're talking about ron paul.e won a gop straw poll saturday in iowa with a whopping 82% of the vote! goldie taylor, independent, and a political analyst joins us now. you are shaking your head. up and down. because i recently interviewed him. he is a tell-it-like-it-is guy. he's a nice guy. you can't help but like him. >> i was sitting around with some friends, we were on twitter, talking about the last debate, and a lot of us said, oh, my gosh, ron paul is making sense, to us. and so it was a, you know, a surprising thing. i was on a plane today coming back in from florida and the fellow next to me, and i just started a conversation, and we landed on ron paul this and straw poll. the fact is, he has the organization, he has the volunteers. >> okay, okay. i get it. you're going to go on and give me a laundry list. but, what? >> he's going to be successful in changing the conversation. and the real threat is not what he does in this gop primary. >> if he becomes a third party candidate. >> if he runs as an indepen

why no love for ron paul?the straw polls. remember, he finished that very close second to michele bachmann in the iowa straw poll, also other organizations have straw polls and ron paul always does well, finishing first, second or third. so you see these organizers of this social conservative confab, they are people that are usually evangelical christians that want to legislate morality. having someone like ron paul win who is a strict libertarian, who doesn't believe the government should have any roll for almost anything, that's probably the reason the organizers are a little ticked. >> but if they dismiss the winner of their own poll, doesn't that discount the validity of the straw poll itself? >> a little bit. it is important to note that straw polls, sometimes you take them with a grain of salt. the actual voting is not going to begin until january or february. those are the contests that count. we have seen ron paul time and time again, no matter the venue, do well. remember he finished fifth in the iowa

ron paul has a plan.in office. and he will do that by cutting $1 trillion in government spending while eliminating five cabinet level departments or government, that includes the department of energy, hud, commerce, interior and the department of education and also the tsa. he also wants to eliminate all foreign aid and all war spending. presidential candidate and texas congressman ron paul joins us live here in las vegas. thank you so much for getting up early. >> nice to be with you. >> you have amazing energy. how do you do it? >> well, sometimes i think i'm lucky and blessed and other times i work on it by trying to follow some good health habits. exercise every day. >> you should talk to ali velshi. >> except when i have to be on tv early in the morning. >> i know, but i appreciate that. herman cain is riding this wave of popularity right now. people are really into his 9-9-9 plan. what is your strategy tonight as far as herman cain is concerned? >> i'll do exactly what i have been doing for as long

ron paul is the big winner at the values voter summit. passionate supporters handed him another straw poll victory with 37% of the vote. rick perry finished in fourth with 8%. mitt romney pulled in just 4%. for romney, it's on the heels of a controversy stirred by a texas pastor who said mormonism is a cult. it's raising the question whether romney can appeal to christian conservatives, a critical republican voting block. reaction on that in a moment. there's other big news on the campaign trail. herman cain who finished second in the values voters summit straw poll won a landslide victory in the minnesota straw poll. he took 52% of the vote among minnesota leaders. michele bachmann was the next votes, 40 points behind at 12%. rick perry stopped in iowa trying to fend off tough questions about his immigration policy. he defended giving illegal immigrants instate tuition rate. >> nobody has a stronger record on immigration than myself. whether it's passing voter i.d. or pushing sanctuary cities or dealing with other issues of immigration i

along with ron paul, ron paul at 12% in new hampshire. which is pretty okay for ron paul. it's pretty good for a guy who nobody really thinks has a shot at winning the nomination, but who's mostly in the race to stir stuff up and get people interested in whether or not the wizard of oz really might have been an allegory for the gold standa standard. four years ago it seemed like if ron paul ran again in 2012 he might be toing wdoing way bettew hampshire than he actually turned out to be doing. the reason it seemed a while ago like ron paul might have a real shot in new hampshire is because of the now sort of forgotten plan to move all of the nation's libertarians to new hahithere. the three state project. they say they are still trying to recruit 20,000 liberty loving people to move to new hampshire to become a critical mass in new hampshire and influence the state's politics. with ron paul at 12% in the polls in 2012 now, the libertarians have not had enough success to try to make ron paul's new hampshire dreams come true. you know, the free state movement thing, the free

--ron paul came out the winner. >> obviously, family values are important. >> congressman ron paul and herman cain grabbed the top spots at the values boater's summit in washington. rep. finished a distant fourth and he was overshadowed. >> mitt romney is a good moral person, but he is not a christian. norman american samoa and does not christianity. >> dallas baptist preacher jefferies made the remarks. romney did not address the traversing, he took aim at another speaker. >> we should remember that decency is a value as well. >> bill bennett called jefferies out. >> you didn't read. no good, sir, and what you had to say. -- you did rick perry no good. >> standby for steve jobs -- the movie. also, a big message on benz health and advice on the prostate screening controversy. >> we are trying to show support for her. >> on day 44 the search of a missing baby, the girl's parents are back talking to people -- to police. >> we picked up with a big message on ben's health. eating healthy and routine screenings are key. the point was made at the event is sponsored by the american cancer soc

ron paul will go after him on the 9-9-9 plan, saying instituting a sales tax would be devastating bad for the country. paul says don't believe herman cain when he says he's an outsider, part of the dole/kemp campaign, ran for senate, ran for president before, this is where ron paul goes off the reservation, a member of the federal reserve board out in kansas city. >> not bad. >> listen to congressman paul here saying he's no outsider. >> they haven't invited me to become part of the federal reserve system. >> no, i don't think so. >> he's part of the banking establishment, no wonder, he defended the bailouts and t.a.r.p. and all of this. he's part of that system. >> so everybody's fighting for their niche. ron paul saying this guy's not an outsider. smart strategy, right? >> oh, absolutely. ron paul's very much against the federal reserve, and we all know that, and that's a very, very hot spot, hot subject for his followers. so if herman cain is one of the outsiders, as he says, obviously he's going to lose votes with his constituents. >> what's -- if you were advising herman cain and

but ron paul.bviously, it is a violation of our fifth amendment right to have the government take away life, liberty, property. there is no question. but to the contrary, i think it was, to my mind, the right decision, by this president in this circumstance. but the issue becomes, well, mr. president, what is the standard by which you would say that this man deserves to be targetd? we don't have a standard. what if it's a presidents that you feel less confident about making this call. what about the situation is different? there should be a set standard. that's what the president needs to do here. >> this man is an enemy combatant, who has no rights under the laws of war. not only that, he's a part of the command and control structure of an organization against which we have, in effect, declared war. so this whole question about judicial and legal rights is irrelevant this. man wasn't being -- wasn't executed for his crimes. he was killed because he was a commander of enemy forces. and he deploys t

ron paul has hanging out with those.of them being respective forces of constitutional law. i don't believe that. >> chris: washington post reports that the obama administration carried out 227 drone attacks in two and half years and five times as many as president bush approved in eight years in office and killed 1100 economy combatants, five times what the bush administration did. as someone who doubted whether this president would be aggressive in pursuing the war on terror and keeping america safe, would you say he surprised you? >> yes, i give him credit first. i think we are paying a price of i using drones as opposed to capturing them. most are in afghanistan and few of them next door in pakistan . so they are part of a broader war effort and they require the support of the military. we don't need a broad based military to make it work. >> i just want to say, if we have reached the point where we are at war in libya and war at pakistan, congress doesn't seem to get involved. we trust this president. chris wallace s

that'sa what gop candidate ron paul wants to do as part of his one trillion spending plan.e said it would get the american economy going again. >> it will. government spent 3.8 trillion. we need a slash and burn and representative paul's program did that. loaded government is normal but it is really not. housing and urban development was a product of the 1960s and energy department was a product of the 1970s. we should slash and burn and put it back to the constitution. >> this is what he wants to cut. hud, and energy department and education . you need to cut those agencies; is that a right worry. >> i am assumed but the practical side of that. those agencies employ 235,000 people and have a budget of 1divide 5 billion among them all. it is unrealistic that congress will take away their own assets. can you cut them down, yes. that would be a logical and realistic plan to do that. >> regina he suggested repealing obama care and get rid of dod frank and then get the government out of >> he want to do a lot more. it is an len page document. it is not just eliminating those ag

ron paul. >> you know who could unite ron paul? his eyebrows. >> notice you are seeing moron paul at the occupy wall street, and there were a lot at the tea parties. he captures the anti-government leave me alone sense both of them have. >> a lot of young people like him because they are mad at israel and he reflects that. they are mad at the fed and they are mad at big business and he has all of that. i think they get confused when they get to the governmental policies which are let's cut it. let's cut it down to 20%. a lot of their agenda is more regulations and more rules. one of the petitions that blew my mind got something like 7,000 signatures and allows the seriously backlogs with their i-140 to approve i-45 and apply for fad and ap. >> that is a big sign. >> finally i was going to say something. >> here is the thing that didn't piss me off, but it made me chuckle. before i came to the show i went on twitter and they tweeted a commemoration of the first embedded reporter. it was their first report from occupy wall street. sho

when they announced ron paul as the winner, a bunch of his supporters erupted in ron paul chants and everyone else in the room started booing them. looking further down the list, herman cain continues to do well among party activists. he finished second in the straw poll. and rick santorum, a fierce opponent of abortion rights, gave a strong speech here yesterday and he finished in third place. again, a lot of people are looking down the list, looking past ron paul a little bit. fair or not, he wins these straw polls all the time, diluting their importance at this point. >> let me ask you about baptist pastor robert jeffress who said that mitt romney is a mormon and that people shouldn't vote for him. what are people saying about that? >> reporter: that was the talk of the town. the controversy was still simmering this morning when mitt romney spoke here and actually there's another speaker on the agenda who's speaking later today who's also criticized mormonism and said it's not a christian -- he said they don't deserve fit amendment rights. romney criticized him and took a moment t

i always hate getting e-mails and tweets from ron paul supporters saying that we're biased. place finish, what are the implications for mr. paul, if any? >> you know, ron paul really has a clearly fervent base of support. you hear from them when we don't talk about him, so do i. but the question for ron paul, can he get much past this 12%? and the fact is, in states he have not demonstrated an ability, when voters go to the po polls, not in straw polls, but in votes that count. if he does, he'd be a contender. but i think that's one reason we tend not to talk about him as much as his supporters would like. >> in places like new hampshire and iowa especially, candidates have long-practiced what's called retail politics. they show up, they shake hands, they pick up supporters in person, vote-by-vote. romney has spent just six days in iowa, according to the "des moines register." he's still in a statistical tie for the lead. on the other end of the spectrum, though, you've got guys like gingrich, for instance, newt gingrich spent 42 days in iowa. rick santorum, a whopping 65 day

ron paul just won the latest straw poll at the values voter summit.t mean for his candidacy and how the candidates are going to shape their battle? >> you know, if it was just straw polls, ron paul would be the republican presidential nominee. he won so many of these. he won the values voters straw poll this weekend. that was interesting because he doesn't appeal as much to social conservatives as he does fiscal conservatives and grassroots conservatives. so interesting. but ron paul, fred, he has so many devoted follower and enthusiastic supporters who come to these events. that's one of the reasons why he wins these straw polls. i think it is more of a reflection on his supporters and less on his overall strength in the battle for the nomination, fred. >> very interesting. paul steinhauser, thank you very much. for the latest political news, you know where to go. cnnpolitics.com.    ♪ and the flowers and the trees ♪ ♪ all laugh when you walk by ♪ and the neighbors' kids run and hide ♪ deep inside you, there's a person who refuses to be kept de

ron paul is playing the character of ron paul in the republican debate show. the character of ron paul and all its quirky make all the other candidates uncomfortable awesomeness. if i had my choice there would be a ron paul character in every show like this. staying in texas, why is rick perry here on this show? >> mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home. you're one of the problems, mitt. mitt, while you were the governor of massachusetts in that period of time, you were 47th in the nation in job creation. that is an absolute falsehood on its face, mitt. >> rick perry's character in the republican candidates' debate show now is the guy trying to unseat the front-runner at every turn. obama who? he's after mitt romney. mitt romney, as the front-runner, mitt romney, why are you here in the republican candidates' debate show? mitt romney has been the front-runner in this field from the very beginning. so in all eight debates he has tried to sort of float above everybody else, float above the fray. for the mo

>> i'm wrobel not as confident as ron paul is.five to seven years to balance the budget. we did it fastener the '90s. and i remain the only speaker of the house in the lifetime to balance the budget and paid off $405 billion in debt. we did it in part by controlling spending. in part reforming big entitl entitlement, welfare reform. two out of three people went to work or school. medicare where we saved $200 billion. in addition, we dramatically accelerated the economy by cutting taxes for the first time in 16 years. including the largest capital gains cut. unemployment dropped from 5.6% to 4.2%. if you take people off of unemployment and food stamps and medicaid, get them back to work where they are working for the family, it changes the budget. >> neil: is that what you think resonates? you have debate upcoming like lincoln-douglas deal and many see your chance to knock him out of the way. improve your credentials. oh do you describe it? >> that is wrong. herman cain is a terrific guy, a great talent. a terrific career and good

host: ron paul is retiring from congress next year. death rand paul will be the only -- guest: rand paul will be the only paul in congress next year. guest: in nevada at the debate, he talks about foreign-policy and our spending on military bases. he is not to be dismissed as a factor in this field. there is real money and that affects the field. guest: that is serious money that can keep him on television now for some time. the challenge for ron paul is that he cannot help themselves. he was to come back to talk about the federal reserve and a more isolationist foreign policy. that is where his heart is. guest: people are noticing he is aging. he is older than he was that years ago. it shows in the debate format. he looks older than he did that years ago. he looks a little bit tired. i think that hurts them. host: another story likely to drive the day, this headline above the old. herman cain running as an outsider. he came to washington as a lobbyist. in 1996 until he left in 1999, he ran the national restaurant association. he trans

and i do expect there will be pushback and i'm glad ron paul and others are raising the questions. i don't think you want to it casually. but this is somebody who we are all better off without him continuing. >> you think the c.i.a. was in there helping this? >> i think american -- >> of course they were! >> jonas of right now. my guess is the americans carried this thing out. i don't know who else could handle something like this. but again, i agree with ron paul raising these issues, but i also agree that the president of the united states, this guy is an enemy in a time of war. and they've got the evidence. >> who can tell me about yes, ma'am pen their involvement or non-involvement? >> we have not declared war on yemen. but we know that al-qaeda network moved to yemen. and he was the operational head, and that's their major base. and they're the most dangerous network that we face today, is al-qaeda. basically move from afghanistan to yemen. so this is a war without borders. >> exit question, has al- awlaki's death removed the number-one terrorist threat to the united states? p

ron paul is not going to be president because he is ron paul.ant to know where ron paul thinks without student loans that people who don't have money, they're either poor or lower middle class will get to go to college where we know the increase your earning power. >> bob: his solution is -- >> greg: the solution if you get rid of the loan, the tuition drops and work your way through school, which is what he did. that seems like an apt quiteed idea -- antiquated idea. >> kimberly: tuition was more affordable then. he was able to do that. you can't pay everything off working at burger king while going to school. >> dana: lower income people, there are things called pel grants. >> kimberly: true. >> bob: government. >> dana: government. they're grants, not loans. you can apply and get them. president bush increased funding for them and so did president obama. not popular with a lot of people to increase those but a solution for lower income people. >> eric: terrible. get out the business of subsidizing everybody. just stop. >> greg: should about s

he had to plead his case to a room of a lot of ron paul supporters. cain took the opportunity to say he is a real candidate a real strategy, not a celebrity seeking opportunist. >> there's things out there about me that i want to clarify. i am in it to win it. [ applause ] not to get a tv show. i'm in it to win it. >> ron paul took second place by the way in that straw poll. >>> in afghanistan, it was the deadliest attack on coalition forces since the war began. 13 americans were killed when a suicide car bomber struck a nato convoy in kabul. >> reporter: a very volatile saturday here in afghanistan, with three very different attacks in different parts of the country. the biggest one occurred here in the capital where a car bomber targeted a nato convoy, in the end, hitting an up armored bus carrying service members. in the end, it killed 13 americans and four afghans, three civilians and one afghan police officer. this is the biggest attack we've seen in the capital since mid september. a different attack down south. an afghan service member turned h