ron paul started this a while back.ow speaking with the issue to really paint the fed and question the fed. however, i think this is an important role for the fed to play. people may not like it. it is, sometimes people say we want to see people get what they deserve. if they get what they deserve, then we're also going to get the, you know, the backlash of that. because we trade with europe. if europe falls apart it affects the united states economy. >> hard to remember a day in 2008 only a few years ago when the tarp amount, the $800 billion was considered the largest amount of money ever proposed in human history. now it's lunch money when you realize that the federal actually spent $7 trillion and i think it did what it had to do. it saved our economy. tarp also was the rightful thing to do. the government recovered almost all of it. but these are still staggering, the sums -- the main criticism of the fed is that it was done in secret. i think that is an issue that the congress is going to have to address in the fu

ron paul is ron paul. akes a lot of sense on a lot of things but then usually says something a little squirrely toward the end. he did that again tonight. >> ron carey, tell me something about the people who are in your republican debate audience and who are voting for ron paul. when he says the war on drugs is a failure and comes as close as you can get to just saying, you know what, legalize the stuff. he's got to problem with medica marijuana. he's got no problem with just stopping the drug war. and he gets big applause in your republican debate halls when he says that. who are those republicans who are clapping for that? >> well, ron paul attracts a crowd who may be nonpolitical. it's largely an under 30 male crowd that follows ron paul. they're good people, but there is a very finite number of them in the republican circles. ron paul is going to be at 8% to 12% in the primary, and that's -- he's not going to fall below 8% but he's not going to go above 12% unless there are unique circumstances. they're

congressman ron paul disagreed strongly. he said timothy mcveigh was caught and executed without the patriot act. >> i have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. you can still provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights. >> i want to bring others in. do you want to respond, mr. speaker? >> yeah. timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says, after we lose a major american city we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> racial profiling also came up. herman cain and rick santorum said it should be used to prevent attack. joining me donna brazile, ari fleischer, dana loesch, erin burnett. david gergen, the patriot act, conservative libertarian split that has existed since this was passed right after 9/11 came out in full force tonight however. >> absolutely. ron paul, i should tell you, john, he continues to speak well for

but i want to talk about ron paul. a new national poll by the pew research center showing mitt romney and herman cain in a dead heat with 23% and 22% support. we'll be talking about herman cain and the interview he canceled. they're following by newt gingrich with 16%, ron paul and rick perry are tied for fourth with 8% support each. let's look at iowa, which i think we're about 50 days away. a new iowa state university poll shows herman cain leading the pack with 24.5%, and ron paul coming in second at 20.4%. mitt romney, rick perry round out the top four with 16.3% and 7.9% respectively. ron paul's success in iowa in this poll coupled with his strong standing in the latest bloomberg news poll has analysts taking note. iowa state university political science professor david peterson said this. he's more of a front-runner than i think he gets credit for. he probably underpolls, his supporters are younger, more likely to reply on a cell phone. he's probably going to perform better than his polling suggests. mark halepri

are there far out or far left in the mean time for example like ron paul he doesn't get all that much attention every time we're talking you know post a debate supposed republican debate on the mainstream media. i'm not really sure i mean it's really depressing but at the same time a lot of ron paul's views have started to gain traction with with those you know with the other presidential candidates four years ago him talking about auditing the fed was considered absolutely absolutely mental and now we have all these other candidates saying that you know they think that maybe we should you know we should defer to some of the generals in afghanistan so i think people are starting to walk their views back a little bit so hopefully in four years will be a lot for joining that part of the problem is that perhaps you know it is there are establishment media here in washington d.c. in new york that really runs the entire cycle cycle are they too old are they to. do with with this typical line of thinking and i guess you could say even you know subservient in many ways to the pentagon to the

is far in the direction of liberty he's very forward and we need ron paul's and the republican party to be able to bring that guides back and make that conversation a part of it but at the same time just accepting i think new gamers part of a great point the fact is you have to be vigilant from a security standpoint to protect against folks like timothy mcveigh it's better to have prevention than it is to have chased out of here but it's a patriot act where the f.b.i. can just write write a letter and they're not to worry about judges they don't have you know the it's and i think it's a serious problem i think it's un-american i think it goes against the very ideals of what we want this country to be and i agree with that yes prevention is the key but i actually have to say i came down much closer ron paul was you know that i think is a false choice this notion that you have to have you know liberty or security i think that we can have both and i think if we want to be the america especially to the. rest of the world we have to find a way to do that but it's just that there's actuall

to vegas ron paul on huff and a few more mash for that story when we come back. on . to the police to repine. but one of the protesters nobody seems to know. but never a pepper spray to face but already argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you know some other part of it and realize that everything is all. part of the big picture. i'm laura in this for. our guys it's time for tides told time award tonight it goes to the government department with the biggest chunk of the discretionary budget the pentagon ever since a debt reduction deal was signed a few months ago war hawks have been fighting to secure outrigger cuts the would fall on the military if the supercommittee couldn't find ways to turn the budget on their own so called every fear mongering lying that they could think up. if it did happen it would result in a further round of very dangerous cuts across the board defense cuts that i believe would do real damage to our security our troops and their families and our mi

but ron paul is shaping the political center of this country whether he wins or not. >>> phil writes t forron paul, i take offense. it makes ron paul appear to be a candidate on the margin. he is making a real move in polling in iowa and new hampshire and with solid finishes there. he is a real contender for the nomination. with any other candidate you would be talking about a surge in polls and potential nor nomination. i, for one, am telling the media who to vote for based on your assumptions of who is electable. >>> richard said, you can't argue with the fact he respects the constitution and will bring that back to the forefront of american politics, the way it is supposed to be. >>> charles from tennessee says, of koirs he should pb the country will have to take its bitter medicine sooner or later. you have to either get behind dr. paul or suffer another four years of president obama. everyone but the establishment gop is waking up now. from now on there will be a ron paul in every election. mary ann says, ron paul is not given a fair shake in the primaries, he will not hold my no

it certainly is not positive. >> ron paul, congressman paul. out? totally out?'s an interesting guy. he has some interesting views of things. whether you agree or don't agree, he has interesting common sense. i view it as common sense not libertarians views on things. but it will be very hard for him to win. no question about that. a couple of the votes that are debating i don't think we have to get too much into names, but it's almost like why are they taking up the time? you look at their numbers, they stayed at 1% for a long period of time, and you hear them answering the same question over and over and over in the debate and you don't want to hear it from them. you really want to hear from the candidates that have a chance. >> maybe the other will implode? we get surprises all the time. >> it's happened before but i think certain candidates are just not going to have much of a chance. >> but if i were running i would be focusing on iowa and spend time there and let everyone else be distracted by the national polls. whoever has a really good ground name in io

uncandidate, held steady if not small per seven tage is ron paul. he has a particular position on foreign aid. let's listen to what he said. >> we are in big trouble. nobody wants to cut anything. if you keep spending money in foreign aid and go to libya without consulting with the congress, the biggest threat to the national security is our financial condition. >> dana: what do you think? >> greg: when he talks he reminds me of a kid that cam back from a creek where he saw a giant monster. hands constantly moving. it's godzilla. i don't even listen anymore. >> dana: his supporters are active and all over him today, defending and supporting him. one thing is mitt romney has steady base of support. others went up and down but ron paul has been steady. >> bob: the one thing i'll say he may come in third in iowa. be careful and watch this. he has 13-14%. slowly creeping up. by the way, smith, the fella you talked about from the eastern -- steve king. he was in the used equipment business. i'm not sure he knows too much. >> eric: steve kingdomnates the

ron paul is in a fight with our own bill o'reilly. paul's controversial policy toward iran. >> there is no way on this earth that iran is going to respond to as mr. schaefer put it somebody being nicer to them if that somebody is an american. not going to do it. yet, mr. paul continues to put this out. not only does he put that out, he makes moral equivalency between iran and israel. israel has atomic weapons so iran should be able to have it as well. this is dangerous stuff. >> eric: i got to tell you, for a long time. i get beaten up by ron paul supporters. bill o'reilly is exactly right. here is what is going on. ron paul said that not necessarily that we in america or the government contributed to 9/11 but said our policies contributed to what 9/11 ended up being. that is dangerous. the most important part of that is iran. right now, very close to getting a bomb. ron paul thinks we should get ourselves away, stay out of it and -- >> andrea: be nice. >> eric: we need to get him -- >> andrea: isn't that what barack obama said? we sh

look at the fact that ron paul is doing so well.l is the guy who believes in slashing the government, iran is no problem. consequences be damned when we heard folks who need the government. the fact that he's doing so well speaks to the fact that the right wing of the republican party, which is really what we're talking about in iowa, has moved beyond just religious fundamentals and now looking at libertarian cookieness. newt gingrich is the guy that 30% of the republicans may want for president, but 1% of the democrats do. this is a guy with a record you could play forever. >> rick: josh, the supporters of ron paul happen to be those who are the most ardent supporters, the folks who say they're behind ron paul say more of them say they're not changing their vote. they've got their guy. let me ask you both for a prediction. i know it's a little tough 'cause we're a few weeks away, but ford, how does it shape, one, two, three? >> depending whether or not newt gingrich can sort of weather the media scrutiny as a co- front runner, i th

things are out of control when ron paul was out of the running. i love ron paul.o trick him up with any questions. he doesn't care about believing anybody. rick perry, the thing with him is if he has to say more than two things he will get stuck on the third part. he needs a platform where he can have an all the above thing. >> two prongs. >> there is no substitution. no supper pepsi. just pick these two things. >> i love ron paul. he is one of the most hop nest -- honest politicians. >> let's talk about rick perry's plan to reform government. the idea of citizens who have a real job sounds appealing, but are they qualified? >> for me when i was representing police academy, so you are welcome, rick. >> can we go to that tape? >> no, we can only go to greg tapes. i think you have seen the medical -- memo. >> i would like to see them who uses a golf club and then maybe meet someone. >> that is something i can turn into. >> i love "sophie's choice." >> do you have a comment on the show? e-mail us. it is red eye at fox news .com. and leave a voicemail at 21 2-462-5050

mark if i can go to you in sacramento i mean with the exception of we can say i'm ron paul and maybe a few other candidates i mean it seems pretty universal that the next president of it's a republican is the first quarter of business this is going to be around how that's what it sounded like from the republican foreign policy debate. oh i think by the time the election rolls around iran will already have been bombed the hell most likely by israel whatever it can be done to prevent the iranians from getting a nuclear weapon. it's got to be done i mean it's insanity to deal let them have that weapon because we all know what they will do with it the idea that a gun in the hands of a criminal is the same as a gun in the hands of a cop is crazy nuclear weapon in the hands of russia or the united states or france is a tool for peace our nuclear weapon in the hands of iran is a tool for genocide and extension ok if i can go to you in washington just be kind of counter-intuitive here you know we have an election coming up in a year in the united states and considering the rhetoric that we'v

romney two, ron paul, no perry, no gingrich. this month, a fox news poll has newt gingrich on top, romney tight second and followed by herman cain and then ron paul. what are we to make of all of these polls. we in the media love them. do the viewers? >> probably. we know the media love them. they're cheap and give awe automatic story and you could go on tv and i could go on tv. here is a story. who ahead and who is behind. don't have to interview anybody or-- >> make hire somebody else and make a bunch of phone calls and it's, it gives you an automatic quote for your story and makes it so-- >> does it give the -- does it affect the outcome, i think, of the races? >> well, we're a long way away from that and what is interesting and consistent is the search within this republican base for anybody, but romney. romney hangs in there, 20%, hard to get over 25. and all of the other candidates, and contenders rise and fall. after an oops moment. but romney is solidly there without any enthusiasm, but there. >> when you look at these r

ron paul debating the patriot act.s quick to disagree. >> i think the pay tree at particular act is unpay tree at particular, it undermines our liberty. timothy mcveigh was a sr*eubgs terrorist, he was arrested, terrorism still on the books, internationally and national lee is a crime, we should deal witness. it seems too easy that our government and congressess are so willing to give up your liberties and our security. i have a personal believe that you never have to give up liberty for security, you can still provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights. [applause] >> you want to respond mr. speak stpher. >> yeah. timothy mcveigh suggested. that's the whole point. [applause] >> timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says, after we lose a major american city we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to takeout an american city we are going to stop you. [applause] heather: alan colmes host of the alan colmes show and justin stacy former publisher for j

ron paul. no. >> bobby flay. >> doesn't come across as the kind of guy who would have a cook book, but apparently, he does according to the ron paul km website. it has been eagerly anticipated. for the record, this is not ron paul's doing. it's carol paul's book. it has 28 pages, tasty recipes from the paul family and friends. at $8 plus shipping, sounds as though the campaign is telling supporters to use it because people might pay attention to it rather than a flier. even has a history of the family. >> who knew? we don't know yet. some of the recipes are still top secret. you have to buy the book to know. >> i would love to find out, you know wharks in there and because i have a bunch of cook books. i cook all the time. >> you'll have to teach me a few things then. what about pizza? newt gingrich is appearing at a pizza place in iowa. >> okay. we're a little suspicious of this one because you know, you read about it. it sounds like an attempt to move in on herman cain's turf. godfather's piz

you give newt gingrich and ron paul the same grade, a b plus. why? hed the whole debate, gingrich was his usual articulate self. i gave paul a b plus. nobody got an a in last night's debate. i just -- maybe it was prethanksgiving fever, but i just didn't give anybody an a. i gave paul a b plus because he adds diversity and serves as a foil for the other candidates. it would be an awfully dull debate if everybody agreed on 90% of the issues, 90% of the time. >> steve: meanwhile, mitt romney, who is one of the national front runners and jon huntsman got the same grade. we know why mitt romney has been doing so well. but why did you give jon huntsman a b? >> because it was a foreign policy debate. that's really his area of strength. he can shine there and there is less ideological difference between the candidates. huntsman is considered more moderate in many ways than some of the other candidates on some domestic issues and he's not doing well on account of it. but he showed in that debate, he did reasonably well. i don't know that it's going to help hi