is ron pauline a southerner? he is a southerner. but is he from texas? >> he is from texas. >> he's originally from texas, okay. so he's a southerner. there you go. his appeal is certainly much broader than that. it really, really is. i would say if george allen wins the senate race, george allen is another person who is very much identified -- >> that's in virginia. >> -- in virginia. i think he is a southerner. i think he actually grew up somewhere. i think he grew up in california or somewhere. >> his dad was a football coach moving around. >> right, right, right. yes, it's still -- but i think even saying that, i would be shocked if somebody does that again, if they literally stand up in front of a confederate flag. it was not the issue it had been in a republican primer, which was interesting. >> i actually have a question referring to what professor mccurry mentioned a little bit earlier about how it's kind of exceptional -- >> a little louder. >> i have a question of what professor mccurry mentioned a little bit ago how america is limited in its c