of the box or they find it comfortable to do this we'll have a rally we'll sell lots of beer will ron ron will say hi i will wear uniforms and it will damage use and down the blacks of them everything but very little damming the whites and they are the key to our problem our own race. as far as the other so-called organizations with real violence would break out. they could be very useful as the soldiers. there's this very acute consciousness on the part of the radical right that we need to reach the smart college bound middle class upper middle class white kid before that kid gets college where they will be inevitably brainwashed into the terrible paths of the multiculturalism and so on. when i was at the end of my involvement there was one source of literature or a flyer that has made me think for all the years to follow and it was of a skinhead who was almost an disguise he had a wig on and a uniform like he was a government worker and it was basically selling a message of we don't need to be so outspoken we can keep our beliefs to ourselves and kind of get in the places where you went

ron-ron, how are substance use disorders and behavioral health issues portrayed in the media? i think the addiction is portrayed accurately. i don't think the recovery of addiction is portrayed accurately. i think it's always the addiction ready for the other shoe to drop and show all the worst things about addiction and not the assets of recovery. and, of course, doug, we're dealing with so many types of media here. there's television, there is radio, there are movies, which one do you think really is one of the more larger culprits of misrepresenting? i think that while there is so much talk about social media and social networking in using the internet, television is still the number one used medium. the number of hours of tv time is still the single greatest use of any medium as reported by the pew studies that have been done in recent years. so clearly tv has a disproportionate influence on our perceptions and attitudes about recovery. are you including cable in there as well? absolutely, yes. i mean the cable penetration in this country has reached very high percentages at this point. most americans are getting their tv either through satellite or cable or some similar form of feed. so mark, we've established that accurate depictions help and get people to take actions inaccurate depictions; let's focus a little bit more on inaccurate since ron has mentioned that overwhelmingly we still see some inaccurate depictions. what does it do for individuals in recovery or what does it do for individuals who need to get into recovery to see inaccurate depictions? well, i think the inaccurate depictions have continued to perpetuate some of the myths around addiction and mental illness. and, in terms of recovery, a key component is making those social connections, seeing people like yourself, how they succeed, what they do to achieve greatness in life. and when inaccurate stories are portrayed, it leaves people maybe a little bit of doubt instead of hope and that's not what's needed at this point and time in their lives. so as opposed to pointing out as much, you know, when there are inaccuracies, what we have done is establish some great working relationships with organizations that work with the media to help portray accurate portrayal, so that the correct stories are getting out versus perpetuating the myths. but ron, what does it d

ron clayborne. >> hi, ron! good morning! >> hi! >> he's so excited when he hears west coast california, where he grew up. >> i know he did. >> do we hang out after the show here, that's how close we are. but, carolyn, yes, pressing news to talk about, specifically egypt and the military calling on protestors to go home after 18 days of unrest finally toppled president mubarak. what does it mean for the u.s.? an american man is charged with murder in pakistan. the u.s. says he should get diplomatic immune thank you by the pakistani's refuse. the case that's turned into an international standoff. famous for this ad, now being sued for malpractice after a woman died following a lap band procedure. it's growing in popularity but how safe is it? and dozens of people get sick after a party at the playboy mansion. is the pleasure palace that's usually buzzing with models now crawling with germs. >> i won't add on to the story, carolyn. leave it as it is. this is morning television. >> we're not going there. all right. >> i'm going to go hang out with my friend ron> okay. (laughter) >> his little cameo there. you too. see you at 7:00. let's go to check out sports. this evening the warriors are hosting kevin durant and the northwest division leading the oklahoma city thunder. last night usf played saint mary's, one of the biggest games on the hill top in years. here's shu with your highlights. >> good morning. we'll tip off with a wcc showdown. hosting saint mary's on the hill top. won six of their last seven. first half michael williams as the baseline floater falls. trails by 2 at the half. the gails went wild in the second half. mickey from way deep. he had 19. rob jones muscling his way in for 218 for the lead up to 16. saint mary's just pouring it on. holds to high-flying pressure and throwing it down. the foul with an 86-68 victory. the wcc, curry checking out. stormed back with a great look. dunked it home, gamed tied at 54. coming up large to clutch tray. complete the comeback with a 50-56 victory. the fact is after making the trip to was

ron allen remains on post in cairo tonight. ron, good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you, brian. tonight the military has had enough and they have cleared out tahrir square, cleaning things up, after one of the biggest days of protest in celebration that we've ever seen here. mubarak is gone, but the people still have demands and grievances that they want met. at the top of the list, they want the military leaders now in charge of this country to move more quickly to civilian rule and democracy. that has not been happening, they say. tonight the military pushed back a bit issuing a tough new order against labor strikes and protests. workers across the country have been demanding better wages and working conditions. it's been all peaceful here, but as we've seen that is not the case across the region. in libya, 46 people have been killed by supporters of moammar gadhafi, perhaps facing his toughest challenge in four decades of power. four people in an oil rich kingdom demanding a better way of life in yemen, the protests grew larger and more violent today. and in amman, jordan, people took to the streets in the seventh straight day of protests demanding king abdullah dismantle the political system and grant more freedoms. here in cairo the plan is for another big event here next friday, same time, same place, tahrir square. brian. >> ron allen in cairo. pretty clear what we're witnessing now in the middle east. ron, thanks. >>> we mentioned at the very top of the broadcast two health stories in the news tonight. one of them will make a lot of women take notice when they hear about it. it's about breast cancer and biopsies. our chief medical editor, dr. nancy snyderman, here with more on this. nancy, this is apparently needle biopsies versus surgical. >> right. this pertains to women who have abnormal mammograms or find lumps in their breast and need a biopsy. the study reinforces what they have known for a long time and that is most women can do just fine with a needle biopsy, but a report says more women are getting open surgical biopsies. in fact 30% of women are getting the open procedure and it should be no more than 10%. why does it matter? any time you have a surgical approach, there's a risk of infection, pain, complications. frankly, it costs a lot more. so the take-home message is that doctors are not getting

especially with ron and i. ron's been doing it all our marriage.t necessarily speaking to each other, but really listening. and very few people listen to what the other person is saying and what they're feeling. and you have to work as a team. >> all right. well, we want to thank all of you for being here and congratulations to everyone. happy valentine's day. >> thank you. >> we wish you many more years together. thanks. >>> and speaking of happy endings, the return of fairy tales to hollywood. but first, these messages. [ male announcer ] this is lara. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. - good for 23 yards. - hey. he went to

ron paul. so as you see they they're saying that the audience booed for ron paul and this is fox news fair and balanced fox news now to this as it really was this is what the real response to the house with that ron paul was the winner of the straw poll and the next why. the winner of the straw poll was as you see the audience was in fact cheering wildly for ron paul winning but fox news presented it as if they were booing so what are they trying to do but manufacture consensus to their audience watching this that ron paul is somebody who you should do at he is somebody who you should mock and not consider seriously just like we start at the top of the show that you should not take gold bugs seriously you should not consider protecting yourself in any way well the audience of fox news there tend to be seventy years old white guy sitting in lounge chairs at home drinking bear and cursing themselves and their pets and they respond in a twitch like manner so it never comes across out of the tube they just twitch and then that becomes the mean the thought for the day and they repeat it down at the bowling alley to their friends or equally intoxicated and then you have bill o'reilly come on and repeat

ron paul. who haters the politics but basically this all came about because ron paul proposed some legislation that would cut some funding to middle east countries one of which was in israel and he got a little bit upset and called from paul an anti-semite you know it just makes me so angry because you you wonder why there's so much anger over these issues that's because you can't even talk about israel without instantly being labeled as somebody who's anti-semitic you can't have any kind of critique towards us foreign policy towards israel towards israeli policy towards the rest of the world without being called an anti-semite and that's just so wrong and so close minded we've been talking about defense spending as a sacred cow talking about israel as the sacred cow i mean you cannot bring up any sort of changes to israel's foreign policy without somehow being demonized and you know essentially losing your entire political career i mean i think what's actually more interesting in this case is that he was able to bring this up and even though he of course got flak from certain conservatives li

ron allen was in the square tonight for the reaction, saw those tens of thousands of egyptians. ron, how would you sum up the reaction? >> reporter: brian, it was just an incredible evening there in the square. so much anticipation, so much excitement, so many people daring to dream that this just might be a different kind of night, a moment in history. we spent time with two young men, both in their 30s, omar and ahmed. they're typical of the vanguard of the protesters. they have been there just about every day taking part in the protests. one of them had a wounded hand, bandaged because he had picked up a tear gas canister and thrown it back at police back sometime last week. we were with them as they listened to the speech hanging on every word like so many others in the crowd. and when it was over, they were just bitterly disappointed and feeling betrayed by what president mubarak had said. >> really frustrating. because millions are here. we're waiting to hear good news and yet he's not giving it to them, with no reason but to preserve his military pride. >> this dictator is remaining in our country, and tomorrow there will be a very, very big march that is going to be held and, yet, we are calm, we are peaceful. when, mubarak, are you going to provoke us? till when? >> reporter: the protests have been peaceful, but now there are many people in the square who are predicting there could be some kind of confrontation tomorrow. it's a very, very volatile situation. the protesters left filled with emotion, venting in the streets, marching with signs and banners saying "leave, leave, leave mubarak." so it's very unclear what might happen tomorrow. >> boy, it does feel newly sparked, ron, after some people were deflated, then that spark of anger as they departed tonight. ron allen, thank you for reporting on your time in the square. >>> let's go there. we have an nbc news producer who is in tahrir square tonight. chapman bell. chapman, how would you describe things right now? >> reporter: well, brian, as you can see behind me, people have flocked towards the camera right now, eager to get their message out. they're not leaving. it's almost a festival-like atmosphere this evening. you have a stage to the right of me with people dancing and waving flags and singing songs. there's a tank behind me with people asleep under blankets, staying warm, and then there are families and other people of all walks of life walking around the square at the moment. their message is clear. they are not going anywhere yet until mubarak leaves his office. they will continue to be here, they tell me, many have said tomorrow, tomorrow will be the biggest day yet and they hope that they can

ron paul] okay. ok. congrressmen ron paul gets 30%. former massachusetts governor mitt romney gets 23%. and, as you can see, there are a number of candidates who got 6%, 5%, 3%, several of them prominent. you see that there is by% listed as other. we had a number of write-in candidates. donald trump got 5%. for those of you who are big youtube fans, dale peterson got some votes. when we come by with the first and second choice, it is 37% ron paul and 31% mitt romney. [catcall calls] by the way, these numbers are almost exactly the same as they were in last year's straw poll. finally, we ask you all, are you satisfied with the republican field? we wanted to make short work of it. 56% of you said you were satisfied with the field. 43% said you were not. this is slightly higher than it was last year. the republicans in congress -- the word that needs to be taken away from here is that your base is watching. they are hopeful you will do the things you say. they are not convinced you will do the things you say. next year, who knows who the next year, who knows who the winn

ron allen standing by with his report from alexandria. ron, good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you, brian. alexandria for the most part was spared the violence that you experienced down there in cairo, but this is still a very tense place on edge. a lot of hostility, anger and emotion in the air and there are many indications that this could be the next flashpoint. this is what happened as soon as we arrived here. an encounter with hundreds of supporters of president mubarak. they turned on us, blaming the foreign media for not telling their side of the story. the president should never step down, they yelled and screamed. we turned off our camera and fled. the trip here this morning, three hours down a main highway, had taken us far from the protests in cairo. few trucks and buses on the road. no one going to work. all signs of how the crisis has brought this nation and its already struggling economy to a halt. we came to alexandria usually a popular tourist destination because of scenes like this here last night. tanks separating rival demonstrators after president mubarak's speech promising more democracy. >> what did you think of what the president had to say? >> i don't think i cry. he never think about us. >> reporter: the violence in cairo stoked passions here. thousands marching through town. there's no central square big enough to contain them. it was a death in alexandria last june that helped ignite these nationwide protests. a 28-year-old blogger died in police custody, beaten and tortured, his family claims. revenge for writing about alleged police corruption and brutality. now the fury has spread across egypt, to luxor, home to many ancient treasures, to suez and its famous canal, and here in alexandria. so many determined to change a nation. this mother said she was ready to face a government crackdown. >> will you keep coming out every day? >> yes, of course. till he go. unless they killed us, we are here. >> reporter: a lot of passion. there's been violence and bloodshed here during the early days of the protest. now about a week ago. and like in cairo, there are a lot of arms everywhere. everybody seems to have a weapon. drive through the streets and you can see people brandishing clubs, sticks and knives. for that reason a lot of reporters here have been keeping a very low profile. brian. >> all right, you do so as well, ron allen, stay safe there in alexandria, as we've urged all the members of our team here on the ground in cairo. and you know how we've been reporting that this kind of people's uprising, especially against long-term leaders could be a contagion in this region. well, in yemen today, the president there for 30 years announced, and if this sounds familiar look around here in egypt, announced he will not be standing for re-election there. you'll recall the king of jordan yesterday preemptively dissolved his own government. so the yemeni president not running again, promising not to install his son in office. a big issue here in egypt. our coverage from this region will continue later on the broadcast when we hear from a 76-year-old woman from america trapped in her apartment here in cairo. but soon after this break, we'll go back to the u.s. the big story across the country. we'll introduce you to the winter storm our own al roker called the largest geographical weather-making event in rece

ron allen picks up our coverage from tahrir square. ron? >> reporter: good evening, lester. there are still quite a few people out here in the square, but the square is opening up. the party is winding down. there even letting cars here in some parts of the square. we've been out here talking to people we met during the past few weeks asking what they hope the jubilation of the past couple of days brings to the days and weeks ahead. >> it happened. when i thought deep down in my very core that it would never happen. >> reporter: tonight this family of cairo celebrates, while discussing all that's happened. hussein, a pilot, retired from the air force, wife mushira, a tour guide and sons omar, 31, a businessman, and tarek, 27, an accountant. >> i should have gone as a mother, as a citizen, as wife, as a woman. >> reporter: she admits she had no hope of ousting the regime but calls her sons heroes for being in the square day in and day out. we met omar the night former president mubarak refused to resign. his frustration? intense. >> we are peaceful. when, mubarak, are you going to provoke us? when? >> reporter: when we saw you in the square the other night, you were a little upset? >> definitely. >> reporter: like so many young people, omar says he struggled to find good jobs. rocked by a corrupt regime, riddled with cronyism. >> the ex-regime was not giving, allowing everyone to just -- like get the best that he or she can. there were limitations. >> reporter: now he wants mubarak investigated and the army back in its barracks soon. >> yes, i've had my joy, but now it's time for the work to happen. >> reporter: tarek believes work will get done because it will no longer only benefit a privileged few. >> we have hard work to do, but we will do it with a smile on our faces because we will know we're building this country. >> what we had after 5:00 p.m. 11th of february is hope, but i don't want to get into a state of euphoria. >> reporter: like those still in the square, this family wants to keep the pressure on egypt's new leaders. >> we don't have a magic wand. we have to work hard to make magic happen to real life. >> reporter: there's still a lot of energy out here, and some of the young protestors are vowing to stay until all of their demand are met. at the top of that list is lifting a state of emergency that's been in place here for the past 30 years. others are saying they want to hold demonstrations every friday indefinitely. lester, back to you. >> ron allen in tahrir square where the celebration continues tonight. and a big question remains -- can egypt's experience be copied elsewhere in the arab world? much of it ruled by kings, dictators and other authoritarian leaders. today many tested the government of algeria, as we hear from nbc's martin fletcher. >> reporter: is algeria next? up to 15,000 protesters defied a ban on demonstrations today calling for democratic reform, just like in egypt. even waving egypt's flag. their kmant chant? "no to a police state." more than 25,000 riot police and they arrested about 400 protesters. there's been a state of emergency here for two decades, ever since the government defeated an islamic insurgency that killed 200,000. and in yemen today, police put down another demonstration. again, the callers calling for their president to step down immediately, not in two years, as promised. egypt's revolution is sending shock waves through the region. >> the whole environment is changing from instead

potential presidential candidates put texas representative ron paul at number one and former massachusetts gov. mitt romney in second place. ronl ran for president in 2008. this is the second year he won the cpac poll and also the second year that governor romney came in second place. conservatives are being cautious about their pick for 2012. more than one dozen republicans are considering a run. a number of those were in the cpac straw poll ballot today. earlier today, we heard from mississippi gov. haley barbour. we will bring in his speech again tonight starting at 10:50 eastern. president obama discussed the 2012 federal budget proposal to be unveiled next week, including a five-year federal spending freeze. republican senator orrin hatch thetah also talked about federal budget proposal. he called on the president to back tax code reform and free trade agreements under consideration by congress. we will hear the president's weekly address and also that of senator hatch. this is about 10 minutes. >> i received a letter from a woman named brenda reece. it speaks to what a lot of families are going through. it offers a good

ron allen starts us off from cairo tonight. ron, good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you, brian. yes, tonight reports from libya describe a growing rebellion. all day there's been reports the government buildings are in flames in the capital, tripoli. an uprising that has raced across the country, and the regime of moammar gadhafi says they will fight to the finish. to the last man, woman, the last bullet. these pictures posted on youtube show libyan warplanes indiscriminately bombing protesters in the capital, tripoli. moammar gadhafi says it's now or never, no turning back, as they confront security forces who witnesses say are firing into the crowds. most of the brutality hidden from the outside world. phone lines down. the internet shut off. foreign reporters banned. this woman was reached by phone. >> we saw the airplanes go by over us. we still hear gunshots. and it's getting -- one of my cousins is a doctor and he had to go to the hospital. they were shooting the doctors and people at the hospital. >> reporter: libya's own representative at the united nations repudiated gadhafi calling him a war criminal. >> when people are demonstrating in the streets and orders are given to the armed militia, what do you -- what can you contest? >> reporter: in benghazi, libya's second largest city, epicenter of the uprising, mourners buried their dead, gunned down by troops using heavy weapons. pretty much every victim that died was either shot in the head, chest, neck or on the legs. >> reporter: today in benghazi, celebrating protesters claim they control the city. with the help of sympathetic soldiers who have turned on the regime. gadhafi was last seen sunday on state-run television. his western educated son, saif al islam went on television to say his father would never flee. this is not egypt or tunisia he said repeatedly, warning of civil war and rivers of blood if the protests continued. today, new signs of cracks from within. two air force colonels, reportedly refused orders, to attack their countrymen and flew their fighter jets to malta to request asylum. several members of gadhafi's government, including diplomats posted abroad, announced support for the people fighting the regime. foreign oil companies began evacuating workers and families. joining an exodus of thousands. >> it's been quite frightening. we've had gunfire in the night. we saw some chaos in the streets. it's getting worse, not better. >> reporter: late daf there was unusual moment on libyan state television. gadhafi appeared, being interviewed by a reporter. he said i'm here in tripoli, i'm not in venezuela. don't believe those broadcasts. it was impossible to independently confirm where gadhafi was, but he appeared to be in front of his home in tripoli. brian. >> ron, thanks. >>> the nation of libya is about the size of alaska. it has about the same population as new york city. it's 90% desert and the median age of the population is 24. the young have been driving these revolutions, and in this case they're going up against an icon, a character, a sometimes cartoonish, often outlandish and very well-known world figure. the man who calls himself colonel gadhafi. here is nbc's andrea mitchell. >> reporter: moammar gadhafi has always been eccentric, but on his most recent trip to the united nations two years ago, he outdid even himself. he raged on for 95 minutes and 8 seconds waving a copy of the u.n. charter and then pretending to rip it up. diplomatic cables disposed by wikileaks show that gadhafi fears flying over water, prefers staying on the ground floor, and almost never travels without his trusted ukrainian nurse. >> these statements are all designed to appeal to a domestic audience. >> despite his bizarre behavior less than two years ago, he

ron allen is in cairo. ron, we understand that correspondents, we do have some in iran, but it has been difficult to get their reports. >> reporter: yes, iran is a much different place than egypt. in iran the reporters and others are basically banned from going to the areas of the city where the protests have been happening. and it is also very difficult technically to get signals out of there because it is not permitted in some cases and equipment has been confiscated. so you have a much more repressive situation in terms of the media not being able to tell the story. so there have been reports leaking out from observers to give a picture of what's happening. and there have been photographs from the past after the protests after the elections in 2009 that got out that let the world know what was happening. a very difficult situation to keep track of, much different than here in cairo. >> what is the current situation you are noticing there in cairo? >> reporter: well, today we have a holiday, it is a national holiday. so things are quiet, and that's good because it is a day for this country to take a deep breath and just sort of relax for a moment. it has been very, very tense. the square, tahrir square, is empty. it is back to normal, you could say. traffic is flowing through it again. the protestors have been removed. there were a lot of flash strikes and labor strikes happening all over the country from transportation workers to bankers to doctors to farmers to you name it, everybody is demanding better wages and better working conditions. that has really dialed back today because it is a holiday. there's no sense protesting when things are closed. so tomorrow we will open again and people will be back out there picketing because so many people see this as the opportunity to have a long-standing grievance aired. that's what you are having, people are frustrated feeling now is the time to get their grievances before the manager or boss or whomever. meanwhile, the military counsel is continuing to do its work. it is trying to rewrite or re-amend the constitution in the next ten days and put up key changes for a vote in as soon as two months, which would be lightning-quick to detail the formation. the military leaders are trying to get things back on track. they are talking about a timeframe to have elections in six months and to hand the country back to civilian rulers. at this point the next six months will rock along with some moves backwards and forwards as they move to a new level of civility. so many people here now who you talk to in the streets are hoping this is the time when they get their own grievance addressed there, their poor wages, so many people earn he below the minimum wage. now is the time to get improvement in those things as well as the broad democracy three freedom things people were fighting for this time in the square. people are trying to deal with this on a much more practical day-to-day basis. >> ron with an update on what's happening in cairo, egypt. we are hearing protests are taking part in iran and tehran. they could be closing embassies for fear of terror in israel. >> we'll be checking in on that throughout the course of the morning. nbc is slated to have a special report coming up at 8:00. >>> right now we want to check in with scott. >> good morning to you. san jose is growing. we just got numbers from the joint venture of silicon valley. strange statistics that found the region added more than 12,000 jobs last year but almost every single one of them was in high-tech creating what the and lists call in their words a separation of the economy. what was the worst job to be in last year? government, losing 3%. if you need a temporary job, how do you feel about wearing orange? home depot announced a few minutes ago it will hire 1,000 people as springtime seasonal help in bay area stores. 60,000 people nationwide. home depot gets busier in the swing as the young man's fancy tu

ron allen live for us in cairo this morning. ron, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, jeff. yes, yesterday we had one of the biggest protests here. yet hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of protesters, celebrating and protesting in tahrir square once again, demanding more freedoms that they want to come more quickly. late last night the military leaders here push back a bit, issuing an order, a tough order that bans strikes and protests at labor sites around the country. workers demanding higher wages and better working conditions across the country, paralyzing things a bit. things here remain peaceful, however. that is not the case across the region. in libya, for example, there's been a huge crackdown. human rights groups now estimate 84 people have been killed there. the internet was shut down this morning. so only a few grainy images are getting out, cell phone images, as moammar gadhafi pushes back hard against his toughest challenge in some four decades of power. jeff, back to you. >> ron allen in cairo. ron, thanks. >>> the woman who tried to blackmail college basketball coach rick patino is going to prison for seven years. 50-year-old karen cipher was convicted in august of trying to extort millions of dollars from the university of louisville coach by threatening to go public about a sexual encounter. >>> scary moments friday night aboard two jet blue airplanes. flights from tampa and baltimore were both struck by lightning. the tampa pilots actually reported smelling smoke in the cockp cockpit. both flights were headed to boston and landed safely. no one was injured. >>> finally, there is no one quite like basketball star kobe bryant, we know that. but madam tussauds wax museum think this is pretty close. this cost a whopping $300,000. the unveiling kicks off the nba's all-star weekend in los angeles. little known fact, lester has one of those. he keeps it around here. you could talk to him for an hour when he doesn't feel like talking to you. >> little known fact,

ron allen, after a great day of reporting. stay loose. we may ask you to go rescue richard engle from that crowd. ron, thanks. >>> at the obama white house last night and today, the ongoing effort, don't forget to try to play this right, and then get the reaction to mubarak's departure right. our chief white house correspondent, chuck todd, was there for all of it. chuck, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. well, the president was in a meeting with some other senior advisers when he was interrupted and told about the mubarak resignation. he then did what so many of us did and just went outside to a television and watched all of those scenes unfold that we've seen ron and richard experience. in fact you could tell the scenes of what he was watching influenced what he told the country later this afternoon. >> this is the power of human dignity. and it can never be denied. egyptians have inspired us, and they have done so by putting the lie to the idea that justice is best gained through violence. egypt has played a pivotal role in human history for over 6,000 years. but over the last few weeks, the wheel of history turned at a blinding pace. the egyptian people demanded their universal rights. >> reporter: it was significant what the president didn't say. he didn't use this speech today, brian, to talk about a new middle eastern policy having to do with saudi arabia or jordan or protecting israel, saying things like that. he chose today, and the administration said today is about egypt, today is about their day, their freedom and they wanted to let that be what everybody talked about and what the president talked about, brian. >> chuck todd, what a

ron paul, could you see supporting him in 2012 for president? guest: i like ron paul. he and i may not agree on some domestic issues. but on international policy, on the fact we are in alignment. i said that during the 2008 campaign. there were people who had the figures, oh, my god, you're talking about ron paul gillison, ron paul is a good american. he is solid and courageous. he is not afraid to stand up and speak out. he is someone who i appreciate. we may not agree on everything, but i will tell you one thing, i respect him, and if he is a candidate, i will always wish him well. host: he has written several books and has anyone coming out. what about you as an author? guest: i wrote a book called "courage to survive" that was published in 2007. i have been working on a book over a long time span about my experience when i was mayor of cleveland, where as a young mayor the largest bank in cleveland tried to force me to sell my city's municipal electric system to a private utility in which the bank had with business witconnections it is an interesting story because cleveland was one of the few cities that was ever thrown into the fall over a political issue. i, of course, said no, i refused to sell. the city was put into default. the good news is that cleveland still has its municipal

ron paul cannot collect dead, i'm sorry to say. [cheers and applause] [laughter] [applause] indianola dallas? i like ron paul.think he is a good guy, but honestly he has zero chance of getting the lack of it. you have to win an election. and i can tell you this. if i were out and i win, this country will be respect it again. this country will be respect to begin. i can tell you that. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] i graduated from the wharton school of finance, which is the best business school in my opinion. i graduated from the wharton school of finance as well as military school. both of those educational background that come into play to shape my personal and business relationship with what i do enjoy to it with. their tactics and strategies involved in any form of leadership and i am well acquainted with both. i am also well acquainted with winning and that's what this country needs now, winning. [cheers and applause] just very briefly, i am pro-life. [cheers and applause] i am against gun control. [cheers and applause] i agree with your previous speaker and i will fight to end obama cared a

tomorrow on "gma" you'll see ron compete against kids doing indoor skydiving. ronhere. >> and on tuesday, i will compete against max weinberg, the drummer from the bruce springsteen and the e street band. >> look at him. >> it's not that good. anyway, we'll see you later. >>> this week -- people power making history. a revolt in the midwest. [ chanting ] >>> and a revolution sweeping across the middle east. state of siege, we take you to wisconsin where firefighters and teachers have stormed the capitol. lawmakers are in hiding. and the tea party is fighting back. bob woodruff with the real story inside the battle in the heartland. >> we won in november. elections have consequences. >> our "roundtable" will ask, will this spread around the rest of the country? as cuts get deep, who should bear the pain? >>> and freedom fever, the latest from the middle east, where bloody protests force another key ally to do the unthinkable. my exclusive with secretary of state hillary clinton. >>> and the young internet revolutionaries that tell us how they engineered the fall. of

ron paul getting 30%. what do you read into those numbers? guest: ron paul has proved to be pretty popular. this group -- the tracks college students and their behind the libertarian message. if you combine the ron paul and gary johnson numbers, you get more than 1/3. that is the great libertarian side of the party. i think you will see some very interesting shaking of the party from that side. the 2008 democratic presidential field, if you look at them, the top three candidates, edwards, clinton, obama, they were running a campaign closer to the dennis kucinich 2004 campaign. whoever wins the republican nomination in 2012 will be running something closer to the ron paul 2008 campaign. that is some of the direction the party is going host: rounding out the list are three or four individuals who are likely to run for president including newt gingrich, tim pawlenti, minn. congresswoman michelle bachmann, and mitch daniels, the current governor of indiana. guest: these are individuals will been organizing and getting ready for an actual presidential campaign or some of them have been more of a tease. mitch daniels, this does not show a groundswell of support but it shows they have a launching pad t

i want to thank carl mosley brown, ron del valle, ron chico and rahm emanuel. thank you to our partners in the production of this event, the league of women voters, chicago loop alliance, the league of chicago theatres, the planning council, the chicago urban league, the national conference of la rosa and univision. we thank the voters of chicago. it will meaning in unless you come out to vote on february ♪ >> live pictures this morning from the u.s. institute of peace. they are releasing a report dealing with the war in afghanistan this morning. in addition there will be a panel discussion and speakers will include the former interior minister of afghanistan as well as former members of the united nations assistance mission in afghanistan. the u.s. institute of peace here in washington is the host of this event. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> again, standing by for the start of this discussion from the u.s. i

ron and antoine come over here. for me personally, it's rewarding for me because by ron was saying on tv you see a lot of negative perceptions about the police. just to have kids have a different perspective that they are living everyday like we are not out arresting their friends and cousins everyday we interact and play with them as well. another example of support this goes with adults, have your addicts and homeless people in the lower haight and hayes valley. every where not just down there it's all walks of life. one lady that we know we had been on the beat a couple of months. she used to see us everyday on haight came up and talked to us and said you seem like you are nice folks i want to get help. she's a homeless crack addict. we gave her resource cards. she's taking care of traffic sitations before she goes to walden house. we can always give you resource cards but you as an individual have to want to do better before we can help you out. okay. thank you. [applause] >> i want to say that ron and antoine once they cornered me and i said, okay. what we did is we invite them to everything. we invite our police officers we also have other officers that are wonderful. we invite them to everything. ron and antoine are on the pta. so, we invite them to every good event and a lot of times we see them in bad situations also. we always invite them. we opened our doors to them and that was important and i think if you are looking for a ron and antoine the best thing to do is probably if you don't know your officers on the street and their personalities to call our captain and ask him or her if they know of someone you can work with. that's really important. and a lot of the stuff we do we also they wrote a grant for mayor's office of community justice. we actually, i worked with them we got a grant to educate the community of what we need to do to help them in their work. there are things you can do with the mrapolice officers if you st from scratch and think creatively. the next th

political action conference in washington, congressman ron paul topped the presidential straw poll for the second year in a row. >> congressman ron paul gets 30%. >> reporter: finishing second? mitt romney, just one of the gop heavyweights who reached out to conservatives at this influential gathering. >> this is the obama misery index, and it is at a record high. >> reporter: and they also heard from the underdogs, who may or may not step into the ring. >> our agenda is america's agenda. >> reporter: while donald trump was there, sarah palin wasn't. fellow republicans threw a few punches anyway. >> i've never had a book signing. >> reporter: the hardest shots were reserved for president obama. >> i'm worried not only do we face a crisis today, we do not have a leadership in the white house that can deal with it. >> reporter: this year the tea party is demanding to be heard. >> if we republicans go a little timid, if we don't do what we were sent here to do, this movement, this revolution is going to overrun us. >> reporter: these conservatives share a common goal. >> and, oh, yeah, baby, winning the white house in 2012. >> repor

ron. c-span: who is he? >> guest: ron won a pulitzer prize out for newspaper reporting. he is a distinguished author of mark twain. c-span: we have some video of iwo jima statue here in washington where a lot of people visit. when was the first year that you ever saw this? >> guest: the first year? 1979. c-span: who is in this? >> guest: well it is a picture. who is in the statute? how many people? >> guest: six. c-span: where's your dad? >> guest: the guy putting up over the ground is harlan block from texas in the next guys. bradley. his name is john bradley, my father. at that moment he would stop bradley, a navy corpsman. they were five marines, when navy corpsmen and my dad was a navy corpsman. c-span: is that, when they did a sculpture of him is that what he looked like them or have you delved into what the sculpture itself look like? >> guest: there is my dad. felix to weldon took the photo and he in his imagination moved it forward and that is what he sculpted and bronze. he did not sculpt the exact photo. he's gold something that in his imagination moved the photo forward. if the audience looks at the photo. c-span: he is the fellow on the right there? >> guest: harlan block is putting the flagpole in. is behind us to the photo. you can't see any side shots. so felix wanted to straighten that out. c-span: who are the other five beside your father in that statute? >> guest: the guy putting the pole in the ground is harlan block. he enlisted the senior members of his high school football team where he is in all states pass future. they are going off to another great glorious patriotic game. it didn't work out that way. harlan died march 1 with his intestines in his hands. his last words were, they killed me. than that figure on the photographs, harlan block was misidentified for two years. the united states government, the "associated press," the entire country said that is hank hansen from boston another dead marine who happen to die in my dad's arms. that there was one person he didn't believe that and that was a woman, his mother, they'll block and when her kids begged her, mom the neighbors think you are crazy. give it up. that is not harlan. she said a change so many diapers i know that is my boy and she was proven to be right. that is harlan block putting the pole in the ground in the next guy up the stock readily. my dad is in the ground and my father former captain phones my mother and says mrs. bradley, condolences blah, blah, blah. are you aware that your husband is one of the most decorated veterans in world war ii and he won the navy cross? do you know what betty bradley said with her husband in the ground? no. he kept it secret from his family, wife and community, the navy cross. i told us to senator john mccain and he shook his head and said and if you weren't his son telling me i wouldn't believe it. c-span: where did you bother lip when he came back to his country after the war? >> guest: we were all raised in -- 10,000 people. at that time it was the maple syrup capital of the world and we generally have the best football team in the state. c-span: what was the day the flag was raised? >> guest: february tourney third, 1945. c-span: we have for others to talk about. at the picture of ira hayes. who is he? >> guest: the press will tell you this is an alcoholic indian. i did interviews. i didn't hear that from any of the people who knew him. what i heard was that he was an honorable warrior. this is a pima indian, very uppercrust, peaceful relatively wealthy tribe. when rome was young, the pima had room. very intelligent honored tri. ira hayes was an honorable warrior. yaffe drank a little too much. i wish the public would get off his back for having a drink and take a look at a guide to engendered respect from everybody who knew him. rocco how long did he live? >> guest: ira had 10 years to live from the day the photo was put up. c-span: we are showing more video of the statute. this is not seen in the photo itself. this is from either side. you say in the book that ira hayes 51 times he was in jail? is that all from afterwards over for? >> guest: twice before he enlisted in the marines and almost all the others afterward. c-span: how much did the experience in the marine corps and world war ii have an impact do you think on his life and what happened afterwards? >> guest: it wasn't in the photo. there was this quote. this is after harry truman told him he was a hero in the oval office with my dad. ira hayes says, how can i feel like he wrote in 250 of my buddies hit the beach with me and only 27 of us walked off a life? c-span: another man in this photo and correct me if i don't pronounce it right, renee gagnon. what is his story? >> guest: rene gagnon at the time, where is he on the flagraising? harlan block put a poll in the ground in the next guy up as john bradley. there is rene gagnon right there behind john bradley on the photo obscure. there you see his face on the camera. if you could take that helmet off of him at the moment he was shot in that photo, you would find a photograph in the webbing. there was a photograph of his girlfriend. he used it for protection because he was scared. that boy was 19 years old. c-span: what happened to him? >> guest: he died at the age of 54, found. c-span: 1979? >> guest: 1979, correct, found dead in the basement of an apartment complex where he was a janitor. c-span: what kind of a life did he lead after this? >> guest: his son said he would get a phonecall, mr. gagnon it would be a wonderful day for community and a great honor if you would come and address us. hard to turn down. there were parades in applause and majorettes and the mayor and the key to the city. then he would go back to an ordinary life and --. c-span: who was mike strank, my hero. why? >> guest: mike, if you talk to guys in the 70s who knew mike, they know a lot of people and they say this is the finest man i ever met. they say he is a marine's marine so i didn't know anything about the military and i thought a marine's marine was a rambo john wayne killer. no. mike was 25. he was a grizzled leader. they called him the old man because he was already 25 but what mike was all about was caring for little boys. he had 17, 18, 19 else in his care and he would say to them you do what i say. you listen to me and i will get you home to your mother's. when they would do dangerous things on iwo jima like getting killed or getting shot, he would say your mom wouldn't like that. and then they would -- he was getting little boys back to their mothers and if you look at the photo, mike is captured in a characteristic pose. your audience has to use their imagination to find mike on the photo. let's do it again. harlan block is putting up on the ground of the next one up as john bradley and the next one is mike strank. if you look the photo from the front. know, the next one is franklin sousley. obscure it by him is mike strank. you can't see the right-hand. where where's the right-hand? he has his left hand on the pole and his right hand is round the wrist of franklin sousley. he is helping a younger boy raise the pole, characteristic of my, a marines brain, my hero, could've been governor of the state but instead was friendly fire and had his heart ripped out on march 1. c-span: who is this man? >> guest: boy. that is franklin sousley. franklin sousley was a kentucky hillbilly raised in hilltop kentucky. there is one structure called the hilltop general store. he and his best friend when they were boys, j.d. shannon, pushed pushed -- j.d. was telling me this. a push to cows on the porch on halloween night and then we strung wire across the stairway so they -- oath cows couldn't get down and then we fed them at some salts. we stopped for a second there and he says, those cows went all night. that was franklin sousley a hillbilly. he was fatherless at the age of nine and dead on iwo jima at the age of 19. the story was when a telegram came to the hilltop general store a barefoot lawyer ram ran it up to his mother's farm. dolor is that the neighbors could hear her scream. i didn't say cry. i said scream all night and into the morning. the neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away. c-span: your father died in 1994. this is the year 2000. when did you start your research? >> guest: research researches of a court. i didn't do research. i started picking up the phone and looking for my dad. i read the first books ever read on iwo jima. i had no knowledge. if i had found out my dad was behind iwo jima i wouldn't have believed it because all his life he said i didn't do anything and then i heard the stories that what he was doing for 18 days was running into bullets. c-span: so as you went about finding your dad how many places in the world did you have to go to talk to people? >> guest: not many. iwo jima. i had been, i spent a lot of time in japan. i had an office there and i went to school there. i study the japanese history so i kind of knew them. i had to go to the flag raisers homes. ahead to mate, not had to, and that with relatives. i walked on the foot will feel that harlan block caught passes on. it was great spending five years talking to heroes. c-span: going over this one more time, three of them were killed on iwo jima. the three again that were killed are? >> guest: mike strank, harlan block, franklin sousley. franklin sousley's last less words rhyme okay. three came back as a mortal heroes were john bradley, jack bradley.radley, depending on when you knew them. rene gagnon in iraq hayes. c-span: ira hayes died in 55? then your father in 1994. let's go back to the photograph itself. you have in the book this photograph can you tell us what that is? >> guest: this is the important flagraising on iwo jima. this is about 10:00 a.m. the race the first leg and why is that important? saipan, guam, those were not japanese territory. they were not part of japan. they were captured by japan. iwo jima was part of the sacred wound. the mayor of tokyo was the mayor of iwo jima so that is the first leg over japanese territory and 4000 years. very important. the island went nuts. on like the fray lazing -- flagraising my dad was in. my dad's flagraising was to replace the flagraising. it was insignificant. c-span: who take this photograph? >> guest: the first one? lou lowery. c-span: what happened to it? >> guest: what happened to it? there it is in the book. develop but it didn't create a sensation like the replacement flagraising. reiko why was there a replacement flag raised and when did it happen? >> guest: so you have harlan smith the general with the secretary of navy. for still says i want to go on iwo jima which is a bad idea because where we stood you had a good chance of dying. the secretary of the navy he insists, so general harlan smith takes a secretary of the navy onto the worst d-day beach of world war ii. and forestall sees the first flag goes up and he says words to the effect, boy i would like that as a souvenir. that gets relayed to colonel johnson, my dad's colonel. he says the hall without. another thing i can't say on tv. that flag is going down into the battalion safe. we are keeping that flag. not souvenir hunters. he said put up a replacement flag. c-span: this is the picture of the replacement flag going up and the other flag coming down. >> guest: in the background there that is my dad and mike strank and the boys putting up a replacement flag in and the first one coming down. c-span: what was the timeframe of this? when did the first by go up and went to the replacement flag go up? >> guest: is in the book accurately, about three to four hours. c-span: was the same day? then you have the photograph seen around the world forever i joe rosenthal right here "associated press" photographer. the one up top is the one we see most of the time? >> guest: let's start with the one on the bottom. the one on the bottom is the original shot. that is a horizontal shot. you see the clouds in the islands and then they cropped it to get into newspapers and that crop became the most reproduced image in the history of photography. c-span: when was first published it first published in where was it published? >> guest: if you can find the newspaper that didn't have that on the cover, sunday february 25, please let me know. and trying to document the newspapers in the united states where it was not on the front cover. c-span: the date again? >> guest: that it appeared, february 25, 1945. c-span: who was joe rosenthal? >> guest: joe rosenthal was a 5 feet 4-inch guide who jumped on i believe for d-day's in the pacific to take pictures. this is an american hero and he gets up there and mount sara bocce and he has this big bulky camera. out of the corner of his eye he sees some action and he goes like this like a football game. he doesn't even focus it. people say the photo is pose which is ridiculous. joe was so far way he could yell at the guy. they didn't know there is a photographer. he barely got the shot and you know what the photographer who later becomes the most reproduced photo in the history of photography? dena what he thought at that moment? so he asked the lieutenant deposed 18 guys underneath this flag when it was up and he took a posed shot. he took a gung ho shot. my dad and three the flag raisers are in there, ira hayes, franklin sousley, mike strank are in there. josie sedin thinks it will make ahead back in the united states. he didn't see the flagraising shot. the film goes to guam. they send the flagraising poll to new york. is all over the place. joe doesn't see it because this is 1945. he is walking around bodies, stepping over and trails and he gets a telegram from the ap. congratulations on that great shot. joe thinks that is that posed shot i took a guess you never saw the flagraising. he flies to guam seven days later and the press runs out of the quonset hut and says joe, did you pose it? joe says he is of course because he is thinking of a posed shot. and b.c. got it and here's that and said i'll get the school. kovacs and wires new york. there begins the myth, the myth that was supposed out. c-span: here's the front page and you have this picture in your book of "the new york times" with a photograph and at the top it says myths. what happened to the myth? how many myths were there? >> guest: i don't know, excuse me. i don't know but i get so much mail and when and doing radio prague ramps collins, my grandpa was next to the flag raisers. my grandpa took the pole of. the general said if everyone who insist they were on mount suribachi that day if there were that many on mount suribachi the island would have sunk. 60% of americans believe in ufos apparently according to the polls and i think at least that number thinks that my dad the brain matter of his friends was at the poll. pole. i don't think so. c-span: and the other myths around the whole event? >> guest: occo yeah. c-span: what do you hear when you are doing the radio shows, the call-in shows? >> guest: what you here? c-span: what he fear from callers? >> guest: people think it is at the end of the battle. people think those boys are heroes because they are in the photo. people think it represents so many qualities about america that they are and feuding. they don't know the boys. c-span: you saying your book that actually when that flag was raised it was the start of the battle, 36 day battle started on february 19. >> guest: five days into the battle but they took the high ground. mount suribachi. logically they thought we won. they didn't know there were 22,000 japanese underground and underground city. c-span: talk about the island. where is it in relation to tokyo? >> guest: it is 600 miles south of tokyo. is one of the ugliest sinking rocks you could possibly does it. you can't get on unless the president are somebody figures out how to get your body on there. c-span: today? >> guest: today. we didn't ask permission the last time. you see it is only 5 miles long. for d-day beach was hundreds of miles? how long was normandy? the beach on iwo jima was 2 miles. the japanese were in mount suribachi seven stories, seven stories with ventilation systemr months, ammunition. behind 7-foot walls. they only had a hole for the turret so my dad and those little boys run across this volcanic ash sand. they can't see anybody. their 22,000 guys underground. america doesn't understand that. i was in the hospital. it is 45 feet underground. they have hospital beds cut into volcanic rock. you could drop a nuclear bomb on top of iraq and it is not going to disturb the scalpel. 45 feet underneath solid rock. an american surgeon set up a table and he was operating on boys. he got tired and went to sleep one night and year japanese voices. he scratched underneath a t.a.r.p.. 22,000 people living underground they didn't see -- i interviewed guys and never saw a live japanese soldier. the americans are thinking germany. we can't see them, throw grenades and then they will pop up. 22,000 japanese with 80,000 americans up above them. c-span: i think you said 120,000 people participated. >> guest: the numbers can't be known but let's say this 80,000 american and let's say this 22,000 japanese. c-span: how many japanese died? >> guest: those boys had to die. all of them. so now one of the listeners is going to write in and say 1000 japanese or capture. no, but listen. not roughly. most of those guys supposedly captured, were korean slave laborers who gave up. the japanese who were captured generally had a hole in a part of their body and a behalf of their blood system was already out of their body and they were unconscious. the japanese were not surrendering. the german surrender, the italians surrendered, the english surrendered. the japanese, no. c-span: how many americans were killed? >> guest: about 7000 boys. they had so many they couldn't very an individual great. they had to bury by row and they had addressed a draftsman marking the lines. c-span: what did you learn about your father that you didn't know besides the navy cross and that he didn't talk about the most exhilarating day of his life? what else did you learn about him? what kind of a the guy with the? >> guest: we didn't learn anything really new about that guy you are looking up because he was my dad. we knew his life. what i learned about was the boys, the 21-year-old boy running through bullets to save lives. he probably held two to 300 kids in his arms as they died and when they died on iwo jima they wriggled in pain. c-span: how did you find it? who told you about it if he wouldn't talk to about it? >> guest: i talked to all of the living guys who went up mount suribachi. i talked to hundreds of iwo jima vet's. c-span: how close did he come to dying? >> guest: he is in his grave right now and when his body is gone, when his clothes are gone in the casket the only thing that will be left is some pieces of metal made in japan. c-span: shrapnel. how badly was the one that? >> guest: ripped his pants off in his legs were all chewed up with shrapnel. and eyewitnesses said he would not treat himself. he was crawling with his what he likes to care for guys around him. c-span: who was it be? >> guest: he was my dads buddy who was tortured underground for three days and then when the japanese gave the body back by tossing it up mutilated, things i can't say on tv. my dad was called to examine the body. c-span: how did you find that out? >> guest: my dad told me just a little about it and an anguished kind of gush when i was a little boy and i didn't have the sensitivity to understand what he was talking about. then later, the other guys that saw the body talk to me as a son. c-span: did they know then that japanese were treating people like that? i mean when made when they were on iwo jima were the stories around them at the time? what did he do to them? do you know? >> guest: it made them very afraid. they were little boys. reiko did it make them angry? >> guest: i didn't detect any anger. interviews hundreds of iwo jima vets and you know, see, it was all about love. i thought hate won the battle of iwo jima but what i didn't realize it was love. it was a bunch of boys that bonded and they loved each other so when their best friend gets killed and they describe if they it they don't say those japanese -- no, no then they say in and marty got it in ahead. they don't personalize it. marty guided in the head and i held him. i said, marty? it is all about their buddies and their love. they were fighting for each other. acquirement said it wasn't about valor or fighting or pray for you. is about helping your friend. c-span: when we are recording this booknotes you are already number three on "the new york times" list, or going to. how did it happen? you haven't been around that much in the book just came out. >> guest: the book has nothing to do with me. is the most reproduced photo in the history of photography. those were wonderful, nice boys and i am the curator. i have been honored to curate some stories. c-span: but are you surprised? did you have any idea what take off this vast? >> guest: yes. c-span: you did? >> guest: it is the number one hit -- photo in the history of photography. america was in love with those guys. hundreds of thousands of people would stand in fleet storms to get a glimpse. victor -- duke of windsor begged the manager of the waldorf-astoria, could they please shake hands with rene gagnon ira hayes and jack radley. it was like egomania. it was a phenomena that photo created. c-span: but as you know it is not the first time the photo has been published. it was published in a lot of books. has a book ever been written about the photo and how it got there and all that? >> guest: the book is about the boys. i dad wouldn't talk. it took his son to get the bradley story and it a ticket member of -- part of the family at the flagraising. i could call up mel and john and marina mary and when they said occo my brother wouldn't want to be portrayed as a hero i would say, what are you just cut that out? my dad gave me that mantra all my life. what i want to know, did harlan ever kissed a girl? i want to know the family stuff. how did the photo effect your mom and dad? the book is about six boys, not about war. c-span: talk about who you've got to spend time with in each case. france and ira case -- ira hayes. >> guest: i didn't get anyone to talk. they voluntarily told me stories that they had never told before outside the family. they gave me documents. it is very voluntary. c-span: has anybody left and his family? >> guest: yes, kenny hayes. i stood on the spot that he found ira hayes face down. i spent a lot of times these people. c-span: how about harlan bloc? >> guest: harlan has such a nice family. at blogs in texas and malice in california. marines has had an operation. she's a beautiful woman, his sister. she was the last family member to see him alive. he came up to her and said, marina i'm not coming back this time. good night. c-span: two of them said that. >> guest: mike m. harlan. mike and harlan prepared for their death and they told people they weren't coming back. but for half a century those people thought they were the only one. i went out and made all of these phonecalls and mike strank for example i have seven months of him telling loved ones and friends he is not coming back, from pennsylvania to training camp in california, training camp and can power a hawaii to iwo jima the night before the invasion. on the island, the night before he dies you tell someone is coming pretty soon. five minutes before he dies he points to a dead marine and he says i wonder what it will be like when i'm like that. five minutes later he is dead. he knew exactly where and when he was going to die. try to explain it. i don't try. c-span: who was around for rene gagnon? >> guest: rene gagnon has a widow, polling and a son rene gagnon jr.. c-span: where did they live? >> guest: up in new hampshire. c-span: what about franklin sousley? >> guest: his poor mother, goldie, she cried a lot. to husbands and six sons, she outlived them all. there is no sousley blood to talk about. she is long gone. all of them are gone but he left some old friends. he left a girlfriend, beautiful lady marion hamm and i captured his hillbilly story. he was such a fun loving guy. teeple loved him. they would laugh. franklin doesn't let anybody have a bad day. his last words were, i am okay. c-span: how did you and ron powers in direct? how did that work? >> guest: i did all the interviews and i have a degree in that part of the world. the book is -- i am the author and then. c-span: did you sit down with him? >> guest: no, no, e-mail and telephone. c-span: how many times have you ever been with him? >> guest: ron? c-span: yeah. >> guest: i never thought about that. c-span: the whole book was done long-distance? >> guest: most of the book was done long-distance. if you fly out to do an interview there is an hour of them being icu, coffee. wonderful people. telephone is direct. i can go right in there and say mr. jones you are not talking to me because you saw probably a friend die horribly. now you are 75. your life expectancy is about zero mr. jones. you are staying quiet out of respect for a friend, 19 probably when he died and now you will die and it is as if that guy never live. if you will talk to me maybe we can bring him back to life in a sensitive way. now you are concerned you might cry. i

nbc ron allen live in cairo with more on this. ron, good morning to you. >> good morning to you, jeff. yes, the numbers we have are a lot higher than 15. human rights groups are estimating as many as 100 people killed in libya yesterday. the government there, the military are cracking down hard on the protesters. we just spoke to an activist who is out there in the streets by telephone. it is impossible for western media to get into the country and various images getting out and he told us that there are now some 20,000 people on the streets in the second largest city in that country and they are surrounding a military compound and a courthouse there. at this point, the military and police have hunkered down and not on the streets. our activists have no doubt they will come back with a vengeance. hughesi using heavy weaponry and people were gunned down randomly in the streets today. >> dangerous situation. roll allen in cairo, thanks. >>> in iran, state television reporting that two iranian navy vessels are approaching egypt's suaz ca

ron about environmental damage in the amazon. after 17 years of legal rangaling, a judge ruled that chev ron is responsible for the oil con tom nation and a large area of the northern jungle of ecuador. they were fined 8 billion and groups claimed their hunting and fishing grounds were ruined. >>> great britainish prince wilm revealed who will be a part of their wedding party. prince hairy is their best man, bridesmaids were named and the wedding is scheduled to take place on april 29th. >>> in santa rosa, restaurant owners are fruding with food trucks. they say a pile of programs sponsored by the city give the trucks an unfair advantage as patty lee reports. >> in this parking lot, truck vr to the lunch crowd. >> it's kind of a nice change of pace to eat outside and kind of fun. >> an eight-week program run oue developmental office. >> it's well received by peoplet this kind of food. >> but over the past five weekss a popularity of the event grew, so did the discontent of nearby restaurants. >> there's concern is competitim their sit-down customers. >> but bistro says that this fod isn't just about fighting over scraps. >> not ever

ron, let's begin with you. >> he can't talk, he's got chocolate in his mouth. >> not all at once. you know the rules. >> ron. >> okay, i'll take over while he's chewing. >> okay, jackie. >> okay. first of all, i found it much difficult -- harder to decide with the dark chocolate. at least for the milk, i like this one, "b." >> dan? >> i liked "a." >> so you have expensive tastes, jackie. >> shocker. >> that's the godiva. and you liked the hershey's. >> well, apparently i have low brow taste. >> the cheap guy. >> i liked how you asked the guy, are you apologizing for something. >> well, he had a lot of chocks in that bag. you never know. >> i like the "a." "a" tastes good. >> what about the two of you? >> i didn't try the dark chocolate. >> i like "b." >> you actually have more expensive tastes when it comes to dark chocolate. godiva lover. so, you know, you can save some money on the dark. >> how can you tell the difference with every type of chocolate in your mouth at once? >> i went back and tried it again. >> what? what was that? >> i went back and tried it again. >> well, we'll have more coming up on "good morning america" while rone buffet. >> still trying to decide here. >> happy valentine's day, ron. >> thank you. >>> all right, coming up after the break, the beauty of a town nestled high in the colorado rockies. it's our "weekend window." we're back in just a couple of minutes. " my business is all about getting music into people's hands. and the plum card from american express open helps me do that. you name it, i can buy it. and the savings that we get from the early pay discount has given us money to reinvest back into our business and help quadruple our floor space. how can the plum card's trade terms get your business booming? booming is putting more music in more people's hands. - oh, we miss you, honey. - i'll be home soon. until then, i have my wingman helping me out. tommy? - i helped dad pick it out. - it's beautiful. - behind every open heart is a story. tell yours with my open heart collection at kay jewelers, the number one jewelry store in america. there are millions of reasons to give one, but

ron paul. >> by the way, ron paul cannot get elected. i'm sorry to tell you. >> reporter: the speaker of the house is downplaying those division saying any setbacks for the party this week, are simply attributable to the fact that the party is still getting organized after taking control of the house. chris? >> cbs' nancy cordes on capitol hill for us, thank you. >>> there was also economic news from washington this morning. the white house is proposing that fannie mae and feddy mack should be slowly put out of bounds two years after taxpayers bailed outline the agencies that hold more than half of all u.s. mortgages. cbs news business and economic reporter rebecca jarvis is here with more on this. the government saying they are winding down fannie mae and feddy mack. >> i've been listening to timothy geithner lay out this plan. the idea is reduce the government footprint in the housing market. the government has sunk billions of taxpayer dollars into these companies into helping the housing market since the financial meltdown occurred a

ron claiborne with the other headlines this morning. good morning, ron. >> good morning, everyone. we begin with new questions about the cyber security protecting the nation's infrastructure and your money. "the wall street journal" reports that hackers have repeatedly attacked the computer network for the company that runs the nasdaq stock market. but the system that executes trades has not been compromised and no tampering was done. the fbi and secret service are investigating. >>> and the government wants more money distributed to victims of last year's gulf oil spill. the justice department is asking the administrator of the $20 billion victims fund to loosen the purse strings. any unspent money eventually goes back to bp. >>> and former alaska governor, sarah palin, says america needs to return to the values of ronald reagan. in a speech celebrating reagan's 100th birthday, which is tomorrow, palin said america is on a road to ruin because of what she characterized as misguided policies in washington, d.c. but one of reagan's sons, ron reagan, says palin has nothing in common with his father. >>> and the owners of the new york mets are accused of making millions while turning a blind eye to bernie madoff's massive fraud. a trustee trying to recover money for victims, said the team's owners made money with investments with madoff, while ignoring warnings made by the investment firm. it says in a lawsuit brought by the trustee, the owners used much of the profits to run the mets and to enrich themselves and family trusts. >>> finally, one of the big bowl games this weekend is the annual wing bowl in philadelphia. thousands of fans, thousands watched john "super" squibb eat take home his third-straight title. eating a record of 255 wings in half an hour. he knocked off the five-time champ by one wing. and he consumed, we have here, imagine this. 45,000 calories, 2,500 grams of fat. this is in 30 minutes. >> wow. >> and if he survives, he gets to enjoy the first prize, which is $20,000 and a pickup truck. >> a pickup tr

ron allen is down in the square. there's a very good chance he can't hear us, but, ron, go ahead and describe the circumstances around you. >> reporter: brian, i hear you loud and clear. and i hear the people of cairo and egypt, loud and clear as well. they are shouting "no more mubarak." the minute the vice president ended his remarks, people started storming back into the square. i don't know if you can see behind me, but there are people mobbing us, wanting to say what they have to say. there are people crowding into the square, speaking, chanting in the streets. there is complete pandemonium, jubilation here. it's an incredible scene, eruption of satisfaction, victory has been won here, people are saying. it's an unbelievable scene. people are holding their flags in the air. look around the square, if you can. there's a huge flag in the center of the square. just a relief, incredible relief, emotion of excitement. it's a wonderful feeling in the crowd. >> i want to tell you something. >> reporter: what do you want to tell me? >> i am so happy. i am so happy. i need to tell president mubarak, you have ugly face. i don't want to see you again. you can go out of egypt, out of egypt. you have big pockets. >> reporter: thank you. thank you. people here -- brian, this is an unbelievable scene here. people are just overjoyed. many thought this would never happen. hello. do you speak english? do you speak english? there are children -- brian, this is an incredible moment. just an incredible moment. this is what freedom looks like. that's the only way i can describe it. >> ron quote will live on, this is what freedom looks like. the people of egypt have ejected the leader. they've called him a dictator of 30 years, the largest arab nation, population 80 million plus. richard engel, i guess this news is still going to filter through those streets in this loud way. >> reporter: it certainly will. and filtering now across the country. we are hearing reports of celebration in cities across egypt. there have been protests today. just to list off a few. this, today, became a national movement. under the pressure of this national movement, people were out in the streets. the president decided to step down, perhaps forced to step down. now the army is moving in. we have been hearing a little bit of celebratory gunfire. but it's been peaceful. people are cheering, holding their hands up in the sky saying "egypt is free. egypt is free." >> richard, i've got to believe if you're a leader in that region and think about the real estate from jordan to saudi arabia, think

ron paul is essentially an electable which they don't like very much there are a lot of people who are major fans of ron paul who were there and he will be voting i think it's also his time because time i mean frankly i suspect that he is probably still not quite mainstream enough to make a real go of it but i'm also always interested to see how somebody like ron paul plays in an early primary state like new hampshire that has a little bit more of a libertarian bent to it i think what's also interesting is how hard the gary johnson folks are pushing all of their material immaterial and urging people to vote for him in the presidential rival our governor and i got to wrap it up you guys and thank you both for being here and to your day. it's so on saturday hopefully we'll find out where you go through up and i thought thank you now before we take a break. ok guys it's time for show and tell on our program now last time we told you about the three hundred fifty million dollar buyout of huffington post to a.o.l. and while we were shocked they are well still in business we were also wondering how if at all the huff post would change their news coverage so we asked our viewers if they thought that huff po had sold out to corporate interests and here's what you have to say on facebook we heard from brendan hughes he said no since ninety five percent

ron paul getting 30%. what do you read into those numbers? guest: ron paul has proved to be pretty popular. this group -- the tracks college students and their behind the libertarian message. if you combine the ronaul and gary johnson numbers, you get more than 1/3. that is the great libertarian side of the party. i think you will see some very interesting shaking of the party from that side. the 2008 democratic presidential field, if you look at them, the top three candidates, edwards, clinton, obama, they were running a campaign closer to the dennis kucinich 2004 campaign. whoever wins the republican nomination in 2012 will be running something closer to the ron paul 2008 campaign. that is some of the direction the party is going host: rounding out the list are three or four individuals who are likely to run for president including newt gingrich, tim pawlenti, minn. congresswoman michelle bachmann, and mitch daniels, the current governor of indiana. guest: these are individuals will been organizing and getting ready for an actual presidential campaign or some of them have been more of a tease. mitch daniels, this does not show a groundswell of support but it shows they have a launching pad the

ron brown has served the youth of this nation through the boy scouts of america with great distinction. i wish ron and his wife all the best in retirement. well done, scouter. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentlelady from florida rise? without objection. the gentlelady is recognized. ms. brown: thank you, mr. speaker, and members of the house. i rise today very disappointed with the governor of the state of florida, rick scott. last week the governor told the transportation secretary lahood that the state of florida could do without the $2.5 billion in federal highway funds for rail. this money posed no risk to the people of florida and would create over 60,000 jobs for floridians. unfortunately governor seemed to be much more interested in politics than creating jobs or improving the transportation system for the great people of florida. turning down high speed rail funds would do nothing to bring down florida's 12% unemployment and in some areas 15%. indeed, the high speed rail plan for florida serves as a true example of a

ron, we need a combination of unilateral and multilateral. you need the multilateral because you need other countries to be part of the equation. for example, with ron if we are going to have a carrot and stick , the carrot being engagement and the state being isolation and sanctions we need the international community to stand with us. in general we have got them. sanctions that the u. s, russians, europeans are applying are biting and ron and a way that they have not, but you also need a unilateral. in the end of the day to ron is scared of the united states. kang yong is scared of the net states. and so if there is going to be a deal on the nuclear issue in either country that ultimately requires an understanding between the united states and the government of iran and north korea that deals with their security issues. that can come only from washington and not from brussels or from moscow or anyone else. that is why i think you need the multilateral and unilateral to be working hand-in-hand. >> you mentioned the number, i think four or five sectors that are very important to break out. i was wondering whether you would -- whether you would comment on what is happening in europe, which of those factors you mentioned have been in your view especially responsible for peace to break out in europe and where did you see the weaknesses, in other words, what to you expect of europe in the future in terms of immigration? >> w

ron. >> a year-and-a-half after repeated denials that they are spies, american hikers on sunday faced are drawn court. the two hikers are being held by ron's prison and allowed only one visit. sarah was released last fall, humanitarian grounds. >> we committed no crime, we're not spies. we in no way intended any harm to their government or their people. >> sir has been lobbying for their of people. >> i don't know when they'll get out. they're beautiful people, to in this in people they don't deserve to be there. the issue of never been there to begin with. >> she and her friends were called off a hiking trail by her by a soldier. with out knowing it they stepped into a up by ron area. >> he pointed to the ground, the trail, he said are rock, i ron. according to the soldier we did not enter. >> the hiker's families have decided against appearing on camera now the court is under way. sarah is being tried after firing half million dollars in bail she is no plans to return. >> we will take a break, let's go outside, give you a quick look as we go, a shot from our albany kerman of those have attended westbound towards golden gate fields much more on your forecasts, commute, top stories coming up in a minute. >> james: and we're back, headlight's headed towards the toll plaza, traffic headed well know issue on the span. golden gate, easier at this morning candy, if you had that coming down assets and-1 01. california highway patrol is out there, no problems. easy rider on the day. we'll keep you updated on the commute as it builds. national news, ohio's governor is said to me today youngstown. to talk with the shooting ducks of it prior to end. that happened mr. mo

ron allen has their story and jones us from cairo as well. ron, good morning to you. >> good morning, lester. we just returned from the square, and it's still an amazing placeç to be. there are tens of thousands of people down there. they are cleaning up. they are painting the side walks. they're celebrating mostly, though, these days, and we talked a number of people who we met during the past few weeks asking them what they hope all this jubilation will really mean in the days and weeks to come. >> when i thought deep down in my very core that this would never happen. >> reporter: this family of cairo celebrates while discussing all that's happened. hussein, a pilot, retired from the air force. wife, mushira, a tour guide, and son, omar, 31, a businessman, and tariq, 27, an accountant. >> i should have gone as a mother, as an egyptian, as a wife, as a woman. >> reporter: she admits she had no hope of ousting the regime but calls her son's heroes for being in the square day in and day out. we met omar the night now former president must be are aing refused to resign. his frustration intense. >> we are peaceful. when mubarak are you going to provoke us? >> we saw any the square the other night, and you were a little bit upset. >> reporter: like so many young people, omar said he struggled to find good jobs. locked by a corrupt regime riddled with kroniness. >> the ex-regime was not allowing anyone to get the best that he can -- he or she can provide. there were limitations. >> reporter: now he wants mubarak investigated and the army back in its barracks soon. >> yes, i've had my joy, but now it's time for work to happen. >> reporter: tariq believes that work will get done because it will no longer only benefit a privileged few. >> we have hard work to do, but we will do it with a smile on our faces because we know we're building this country. >> what we have after 5:00 p.m., 11th of february is hope, but i don't want to get into a state of euphoria. >> reporter: like those still in the square, this family wants to keep the pressure on egypt's new leaders. >> we don't have -- we have to work hard to make magic happen. >> reporter: a very sober view of things, and omar and tariq weren't sure when they were going to return to the square, but some protesters are vowing to stay until all their demands are met, and some are planning to have big rallies indefinitely, but now it's a festive day down there. the party continues, and its still going on pretty strong. lester. >> ronllen, thanks to you and our inteer team in cairo. now here's jenna. >>> thank you. back home president obama is drawing mixed results for his handling of the egyptian crisis. while drmz are praising mr. obama's wait and see approach, many republicans are slamming his reaction. david gregory is moderator of "meet the press." david, good morning. >> good morning. >> let's start right there, david. what is the white house's reaction to everything that's really taken place in the last couple of days in egypt? >> well, they're being careful to try to paint this in the best possible light in terms of how they dealt with it internally and how the president communicated. what you hear from officials isç look, the president was measured, but he was precise. privately he was pushing mubarak hard. he was pushing the military hard, and, ultimately, the outcome should be judged on how peaceful it was. the fact that there was not widespread bloodshed and that mubarak is gone and yet the institutions

the winner of the straw poll this year is congressman -- [applause] [catcalls] [ron paul chants] congressman ron former massachusetts governor mitt romney gets 23%. as you can see, there are a number of candidates who got 6%, 5%, 3%. of them are prominent. there is 5% listed as other. there were a number of write-in candidates. donald trump was one of them. [booing] for those of you who are big u2 fans, -- youtube fans, dale peterson got a number of votes. interestingly -- by the way, these numbers are almost exactly the same they were -- almost exactly the same as they were in last year's straw poll. finally, we ask you if you are satisfied with the republican field or aren't you satisfied. 56% of you said you were satisfied with the way the field is. 43% said you were not. this is slightly higher than it was last year. for republicans in congress, the word that needs to be taken away from here is that your base is watching. they are hopeful you will do the things that you will -- do the things you say. but they are not sure you will do the things you said. who the winner of the next cpac straw

ron paul who says washington's efforts to buy influence in countries like egypt have failed and will always fail. congressman ron paul is talking to us here in washington d.c. about the situation in egypt the future of the conservative movement add a possible presidential run in two thousand and twelve congressman thank you so much for being here i understand paul let's start off with you as usual you have a very different take on the situation in egypt something that many lawmakers most lawmakers aren't even talking about you say that this is our thirty year mistake that this this mass happened because of us foreign policy what do you mean by that we had a lot to do with mubarak being in power and staying in power like we subsidize them we own him he's our puppet dictator he does what we tell him because he gives so much money he's gotten probably sixty to seventy billion dollars and i understand his family probably has sixty or seventy billion dollars stashed away in swiss accounts in other places around the world so we've known him and and we're supposed to get you know perpetual peace and cooperation but in times after a time the people rebel against this they know about it and they see dictators as being nothing more than public you know as they style government and they rebel and that's what they've done so even though there's been stability and we could afford it over those years now there's no stability and we can't afford it anymore so the sooner we quit this foreign policy subsidizing people they said well he's our only friend if we have to pay that much money for a friend he's not much of a friend the way i figure and you go so far as to say just stop the whether it is to egypt or afghanistan or pakistan or israel just stop the aid do you think that would actually ever happen but we know it is not deliberately and you know in a fashion where we legislate it but it may stop when we go broke you know what is what did the soviet system do do they had to quit subsidize are immediately and then to walk away from it in the world survived in russia survived everybody survived. you know with that but i would much rather see it come through legislation rather than waiting waiting for a real crisis to be old and have a monetary crisis and under those circumstances we just can't send them any more money because the money won't buy anything so i'm trying to prevent a precipitous. really disruptive system of it breaking down people will argue well it's disruptive just to cut it off but well if you want to call it off twenty five percent for four years maybe that's a compromise but my personal opinion is you just cut it off but your critics would say look we have to look out for the best interest of the united states therefore we can not have a noninterventionist foreign policy because it wouldn't help us it would only hurt us i guess if we looked at the facts that find that intervention hasn't helped us very well very much at all because if you look at how many americans have been killed in korea and vietnam in the middle east and around the world and how many others how much collateral damage there's been and how many civilians are being killed around the world i would say the hasn't done us a bit of good in this helped move us toward our own bankruptcy so i don't believe our our national security required it i think we're less safe for it the threat of terrorism is related to our foreign policy so i feel less safe because we're over there i never feel safer for the foreign policy that we have today here's something that shocked a lot of people this is something that you had mentioned the telegraph reported on it it was part of the wiki leaks revelations the fact that the united states was actually supporting some of these activists that we saw on the streets for several years now how do we make sense of that because surely the united states doesn't want to see instability there but on the other hand they worry they're paying these activists are supporting them they were here in the united states where we're always involved on both sides if if if our puppet dictator can last we keep propping him up when we see the tide taint changing then i'm sure our cia is involved in the opposition they can be in early. and later they try to pick up the pieces that doesn't mean they have total control you know we controlled the iranian situation we had the shah in there for a while but eventually the next revolution we didn't have control and then we end up with the ayatollah so long term i think it hurts us on the short term we will always try to buy the influence and stay involved and can be seen merican people that our national security will be threatened if we don't control these governments i just don't believe that a lot of folks over at that conservative political action conference is a disagree with a lot of your ideas especially when it comes to foreign policy and now especially this year with go proud being included in the conference and you winning the stoppel last year there is this sort of fear as as they say that the pack is becoming more libertarian why do you think that for some folks that's such a dirty word oh horrible the seabag is going to be stronger for liberty city that is wonderful you know libertarians is why some folks boycotted this you know i saw the comments come in they're more libertarian i didn't know libertarian was a bad word to mean libertarian is a wonderful word that means we believe in liberty we believe in our constitution we believe in the fourth amendment on the whole works and we believe in kind market you're right that you know republican party because some people some people who call themselves conservative are big government conservatives so my opposition are big government conservatives and big government liberals i want libertarians and constitutional conservatives who say they will follow the constitution we believe in personal liberty and they come from our own right tradition there is a tradition in the republican party that objects to us policing the world so although you hear that and they've had lots of influence these last several decades there's still a lot of influence in the past at least by republicans who believed in in limited government and a noninterventionist foreign policy what do you think their ideal america looks like. some of those bigger government can see. that is what they want to see happen when they feel that america is exceptional and that we're very special in some ways i agree with that but they are conclusion is because we're exceptional and so special that we have this. should take up an ism where we have this moral obligation to spread our goodness even if we have to use force and that was all what the french revolution was about see the difference with me is i believe there's a lot of good traits in our good qualities about american belief in liberty and markets and freedom and sound money but we should spread our goodness in our by setting an example that's the difference the idea that somebody would use force to make other countries act like we do or make individuals act like we think they should reject the whole notion of liberty because we reject the notion of using force to mold people's lives and change the world so that's where the separation is a big government conservative and more libertarian constitutionalist because we believe we can persuade people rather than forcing people to accept our views and act the way we do and you see pac is usually a platform or perhaps a task for future presidential candidates are you going to be one of them in twenty five truthfully. no decision to make i am undecided and some days i am sympathetic to the idea because i have a lot of supporters urging me to then there are other days i think well you know maybe i have better things to do or other things to do so i am still undecided i have a couple months to make a decision i don't know if you got a chance to see this but there was an article circulating on the internet amongst your supporters and the title of it was a radical idea ron paul runs as a democrat in two thousand and twelve and if we listed all of the quote unquote good reasons as to why you should run as a democrat for example you're anti-war views the fact that you want to end the drug war and many republicans associate you know smoking a joint with him where ality i have you ever considered that running as a democrat. but then i realize it's him. to go but it would be great to do it because it would just just drive the progressives nuts because they would be agreeing with me but they wouldn't be able to stand the idea of supporting somebody like me because i don't address i don't endorse their principles of redistribution of wealth you know from one group to another so there's a limit they might agree with me on civil liberties and war and they went in and we could expose the. the conflicts and the inconsistency of a president because he has the endorsement of the progressives but they get annoyed too because he's up there promoting more and he didn't