when you see, for example, ron sus stein, a well-known author, known conservative as far as i can tell, talking about what a feckless and ineffective economic policy president obama has enacted, he can't keep track of his own treasury secretary, something is breaking loose in terms of the liberal watch dog. >> you're getting nods from judy, you agree. i didn't expect to agree with jim on this one. i have to say when you hear ron brownstein and others saying, this is how effective a leader obama is or the other thing i heard on friday, on morning joe, quoting chuck tight task saying, gosh, is he even serious about this american jobs bill? is this not just a kind of political talking point? there's something going on today. >> and jehmu, let's get your take on that. are liberals in the media turning against this president? >> i don't think that james carville was turning against the president. i actually think he was trying to offer him some reasonable advice, and i think we're going to start to see a lot more of the liberal pundits offering that same advice, that there has to be some so