>>> welcome to mosaic on the summer morning i am hugh burrows sitting in for ron swisher we are going to do a profile which we do from time to time of a religious bay leader we are very excited to introduce dr. jamesemmer son he is pastor emeritus of calvary here in san francisco where he served until 199013 just turned 58 years old. we are delighted to help celebrate the birthday and bing him to you. >> thank you. >> towards the end we want to get towards your book forgiveness the key to the creative life. a great contribution to people who simply want to get in. you were talking about forgiveness long long ago we will come back to that, but start us off now you are a peninsula boy. >> yes, my dad taught at stanford and cal people please forgive me i have great fondness for cal too i grew up there, only child, of my parents, dad was sick most of my growing days because he had tb from world war 1. and i also got it from him so i really started out as being a consequence of the trenches of world war 1 which may seem strange that is where he got the tb ultimately when i caught it i got