stay with us. ,, >> back with reverend ron swisher. n, you've outlined for us four of the big issues in the air. sort of startling in the pope and the loss of mandela and concerns about justice rights for gay and lesbian people in marriage and talked about the importance of gun control from your perspective. now on to some happier lighter stuff here. you've been a pastor for how long? >> 41 in 2013. >> six churches you've served and district superintendent for a while. and then i think the the important thing is you seem optimistic still about the situation can be engaged and optimistic about people. >> i think so. i saw a quote from gandy. happiness is what you say, think, do is in harmony. i think if we can work on that, i think faith without words is dead and not just being a hearer of the word but doer of the word. living out some of the things we're in and one of my favorites is the fruits of the spirit. >> remind us all? >> loves, joy, peace, goodness, gentleness, patience, kindness, self-control, king james' version but disciplin