i'm ron swisher. it's a pleasure to have you with us. especially want to welcome my fairfield community, the community of united methodist church this morning, who are sure watching. i'm thrilled to have the guest here this morning, two of the members of the suv ism community. great to have you. >> thank you. >> great to have you. >> thank you. >> pascal and terry. when we hear suvism, what does that mean? >> i'll say a little bit about it first, then reoriented. >> sufism is a universal stream that is at the heart of every spiritual. it's the love for god and the expression of that love through service to god's creation. the thing, it's not a creed, it's not a set of beliefs, it's a living experience of the deepening and unfolding of love. love for god. and because of that, it's something which in every generation, in every culture is a living experience, so it has to be refreshed. generation after generation in every culture. >> i see. >> sufism is a con temp -- founded in 1952 by a spiritual figure from india, and it's carried by a li