and once they locked in on ron williamson, they realized ron didn't have any friends in town or veryfew friends. the only person he was hanging around with during this point in time was dennis fritz. and that was their theory. that was their link. and that's howennis got sucked into all this and when dennis digent jail, he was arrested, they put dennis in jail and suddenly there were snitches who heard dennis confess or heard dennis say this and they brought in all these snitches and put them on the witness stand and that's how dennis got convicted. no physical proof. i mean, no viable proof. they had a state crime lab expert who matched some of dennis' hair and some of ron's hair to some scalp here and pubic hair found at the crime scene. it was a match, you know. totally disproven later by dna but anyway that's how they got dennis convicted. >> well, we'll leave the conclusion to people who want to read the book. you said you would notant to do this again, take on a nonfiction project on this. is that definitive? >> no. it could happen tomorrow. if i see the right story. i've got t

. >> host: who was ron williamson? >> guest: ron williamson was the man i had never met, never heard of him. he was one of the first big notorious dna exoneration is in the late 90's. amendment hymn when i read his obituary, so i never got to see him obviously. but he was a character. when he would younger, many people in his small corner of oklahoma thought ron was the next mickeyantle and ron certainly thought so. he had an nice ego, and he was the second round draft pick in 1972 for the oakland a's and when not to seekajor league glory and thought he was going to make it. he never came close. had a bunch of injuries, it didn't take care of himself, started drinking and drugging and a prettyild lifestyle. crashed and burned in the minor leagues burkett when he was 25 or 26 years old he began showing the first signs of some type of the mental illness that was eventually diagnosed as being bipolar. all the wheels came off for ron williams. he did not help himself. there was a lot of self medicating with booze and drugs