the author of an alternative to that legislation is senator ron wyden, a democrat of oregon, who joins us on "the communicators." senator wyden, first off, what are your issues with the protect and the sopa anti-piracy legislative pieces? >> guest: both of them are, essentially, using a bunker-buster bomb when what you need is a laser beam. look, there is no question that there are some bad actors out there. there are people who sell tainted viagra or fake roll lexes or movies they don't own, and as far as i'm concerned, you ought to handcuff them. but these bills go way, way beyond that and particularly they do a tremendous amount of damage to the architecture of the internet. i mean, basically, what they do is they turn web sites into web cops. i mean, basically, you'd have web sites trying to monitor enormous, you know, amounts of data. youtube alone gets, like, 24 hours of content, you know, every second. it would be impossible to monitor. nobody really even tries except for the chinese and the iranians. >> host: so saying that, that they go too far for you, what is your alternativ

the author of an alternative to that legislation is senator ron wyden a democrat of oregon who joins us on "the communicators." senator wyden first off, what are your issues with the protect and the sofa antipiracy legislative pieces? >> both of them are essentially using a bunker buster bomb which indeed is a laser beam. look, there is no question that there are are some bad actors. there are people who sell tainted or fake rolexes or movies they don't own and as far as i'm concerned you want to handcuff them, but he's done go way way beyond that and particularly they do a tremendous amount of damage to the architecture of the internet. basically what they do is turn web sites into web cops. basically, you would have a web site trying to monitor enormous amounts of data. youtube alone gets 24 hours of content every second. it would be impossible to monitor. nobody really even tries except for the chinese and the iranians. >> host: saying that they go too far for you, what is your alternative proposal that u.n. representative darrell issa, republican of california, have proposed? >> g

now i'm curious though there is you know while sopa and pipa are dead right now ron wyden had last year introduced something called the open act which at first didn't really go anywhere some people laughed it off but now it's helping paper dead it seems more and more like it just might be a possibility and this is something that the tech giants out there that google that facebook twitter that linked in actually support so you know what do you think of it. well and i want to be very clear sopa and pipa if we're going to use the dead metaphor then we have to think of them as as somebodies as the undead because they are not their heads have been cut off unfortunately these these bills go they've been shelved and they've certainly the representatives behind them have certainly been sort of shamed by the public but they are not dead and we still have to be very very proactive open you know which one had talked about for many many months comes at fighting this much more intelligently then. even came close to because it was written with some actual technologist at the table but we need to go a

to turn back i mean we know that for example senator ron wyden has written a preselector to the president telling him that hey you know you did this without congressional approval normally international treaties although i guess the president tried to change the language and just call it an agreement require congressional approval there's a white house petition out there that has at least six thousand signatures calling for president obama to do something about this so you know is there is there anything that can still be done. i mean it is sort of futuristic as we saw protests and with anonymous mobilizing and bringing down u.s. government websites i don't think that everybody has to go and jump on board and participate to that extent there is really just a classic way of doing it which is get in touch with your legislator let them know you're concerned about it and hopefully the american democratic machine will kick into effect and it may be congress will decide to act on this to decide that that really act is not something that totally exists within existing u.s. law or maybe it's just

senator ron wyden said he will filibuster the bill. on the house side of the judiciary committee has strong support for the bill. we have seen signs there is wavering of the support. it is hard to determine to what will happen on the house depending on the changes. >> thank you for being on "the communicators." >> thank you for having me. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> see what a caucus looks like with video from previous years online at the c-span video library. through tuesday are c-span cameras are following the 2012 election. political guests are taking your calls on "washington journal." later on, the results of all of the nearly 1800 caucuses. plus, candidates speeches. for more resources used c-span campaign 2012 website to watch videos. see what the candidates have said on issues important to you. that's at c-span.org/campaign 2012. >> in the final de more than i will pull ahead of tuesday's caucasus has just been released this evening. it show

it's similar to what paul ryan's proposing, as you know, ron wyden signed on to. the voucher does go up. the voucher does go up, based on the competitive increases driven by competition in the insurance plans which is exactly what you want. you want the private sector competing, driving down costs, improving efficiency, get rid of cme where government micromanages health care through medicare, medicaid. that's the advantage of a ryan plan. we have right now in essence either a government-run or a government-regulated private sector insurance system. what we need is a deregulated, not unregulated, but deregulated, private sector insurance plans to reduce cost. >> and if some seniors have to dig into their pockets to pay for it, that's okay? >> well, seniors dig into their pocket right now to pay for medicare. they pay for their medicare part b subsidy. almost every senior has a mehdi grap policy. why? the policy doesn't cover things they want so they have to buy additional coverage. instead of buying your medigap policy you buy a policy that has choices to take the

oregon senator ron wyden on a different version of the anti- terrorist legislation currently in congress -- anti-piracy legislation currently in congress. >> republican presidential candidate michelle bachmann has picked up the endorsement of 22 ministers. yesterday, she spoke briefly with reporters. ♪ >> happy new year to you. >> thank you. >> ♪ today is the day today is the day today is the day today is the day ♪ >> what's your name? >> my name is shirley. >> thank you, thank you. you live here in town? >> yes, my husband and i. by.e drove righrt have you been here forever? >> 25 years. >> oh, my goodness, that is forever. we have three in college. >> and you have 20-some others. [laughter] empty nest? three left? >> three left in college. 28 over the years. >> three left -- where are they? >> oh, all over the country. they are all over. >> my daughter did one year down at nazarene university. >> did she like it? >> she liked it very much, but she wanted to be closer to home, because her brother goes to the university of iowa. >> oh, ok. cedar falls? >> cedar falls? >> oh, good. >> i a

. >> tonight, the different versions of legislation in congress, from senator ron wyden. >> it is essentialhat our spending habits take a 180 degree turn starting right now. tonight at midnight, the government will shut down if congress does not pass the continuing resolution. forecasters and goldman sachs have wanted to shave off growth every single week. in there have been warnings on the shutdown impact for u.s. economic recovery. caller: this -- >> this senate session was deceased and video library's most watch video of the year. watch for yourself on your home page. click on the most watched tab to view other moments from the past year. it is what you want, when you want. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back, a iowa from. -- we are back, a from iowa. and on your screen is robert haus, for the campaign for rick perry for president. let me bring up the poll that shows that your candidate is in fifth place. your reaction? caller: good morning. this race has been unlike anything i have ever seen before. it has been very fluid and flexible throughout. yesterday's survey even