i talked to ron wyden, too.times i feel like i'm talking to two different people who embrace the same type of plan. what paul understands what the plan would mean and what ron wyden understand the sometimes talking past each other. so unless or until you put something on paper that we can truly analyze the impact of what this is going to be installed this is theoretical. >> i will send to you and mr. thompson the plan that senator wyden and i co-authored with her adventures and i'll send it to your office. >> i think i hear from you and jon i think you testified that it's important delivery system and payment reforms as part of the affordable care trait not a chance to continue to move forward and if for some reason supreme court or this body decides to overturn everything, i think that it's going to lead to an absolute state of chaos in the health care system that may take a generation to recover from if we go back to square one again. thank you, mr. chairman. >> mr. pascarella's recognized. >> thank you, mr. c

here's what ron wyden tells me. personal i think if you want real lasting medicare reform and my judgment it does has to be bipartisan. so here's what a democrat, ron wyden, to but he said democrats can't support a proposal that does not have an ironclad medicare guarantee. it must maintain traditional fee-for-service as a viable option. it needs to guarantee of affordable for the medicare consumers and protect the low income. it must have the strongest consumer protection for seniors and aggressive risk adjustment to protect the marketplace. this is what a democratic, member of the senate tells me, sort of a central principles for premium support to move forward. that seems hardly irrational to me. that teeny strikes me as these are ideas we should talk about with each other, and there's plenty of room for conversation with one another, and we i do have that conversation. so, you know, i think we need to put this in perspective. this is a program that is going bankrupt. we had the actuaries come here, budget me or

the only person i have heard say nice things about the plan is ron wyden. he said about the brian plan, i can't imagine where i would vote for it. i'm going to go on record again, making clear strong opposition that democrats have to the house republican proposal by any name, it would be devastating to medicare beneficiaries. raising their costs, regaining the gains made for medicare to ensure that all of our seniors have quality, affordable health care. instead, they would return us to a time when private health insurers would control what cares seniors get and what prices they are forced to pay. .. .. >> you don't have to kill the patient to save it. of the accord from hearing from our witnesses today. think you've spent their we're joined by four witnesses would have cheered dead national commission on the future of medicare, alice rivlin a senior fellow of the brookings institution and co-chair of the task force on debt-reduction william h. taylor scholar at aei and henry aaron senior fellow at brookings institution prepare you each have five minutes th

go ask ron wyden how much democrats are really interested in reaching across the aisle in the grad tradition people in his own party because he's trying to act like a legislator. it's pathetic. it's pathetic and it's why congress has an 8%, 9% approval rating. >> at the most. >>> coming up next "new york times" novelist anna quindlen takes us inside her memoir. >>> and hall of fame quarterback dan marino joins us on set. >>> but, first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> he was such a good quarterback and a great smile, too, let's talk about what's happening weatherwise, the extreme temperatures this spring have been a little bit on the ridiculous side. a lot of people complaining on the east coast about how chilly and cold it is. yesterday it was 39 degrees with snow on and off in buffalo and it was 87 in montana. nearly 50 degrees warmer in montana than it was in areas of new york and pennsylvania yesterday. so, it's just been a lot of extremes out there. here's what we've been dealing with out there as far as the high pressure goes, heat continues in the four corner region. cold

c-span: here is the clip, i think you're going to see ron wyden who is a congressman. >> i'm going torite down the row and asked each one a simple question. we will see what their responses. >> i believe nicotine is not addictive and. >> nicotine does not meet the classic definition of addiction. >> i don't believe that nicotine is addictive. >> not addictive. >> not addictive. >> can you discuss the need to state clearly in the same word that you all did and that same way -- >> it is outrageous. it is outrageous for you to assume that we meet and talk about these issues. we are competitors, we are independent, we are fighting for survival in a legitimate marketplace. >> it is difficult for me to characterize anything as outrageous after seven intelligent people have told the american people that 250 million people that cigarettes are not addictive. what could be more ridiculous? sir, we are skeptical of answers in other areas, you will understand why. c-span: i listen to this earlier. whitey think it took so long for the congress or the government to do something about this? and they