his name is reverend ronald cole. his robert cole is a dear friend. we met one another in the third or fourth grade. he's a phenomenal minister of god and servant of god. we both served under thompson, the senior pastor. we love her dearly. the this is a great book. a great read for men to see how god is used as an individual. this is just an uncommon man. >> why brothers? why men? why the emphasis? that's one of the struggling issues of our growth. i've heard folks say we need time when we can be alone and to talk and et cetera. i into men and women. at this point that's where it is. when we have our restreets and do every year, we brought in dr. jacquelyn thompson that presented in front of us and then reverend dr. pope has also presented. she and dr. thompson did a session together. >> i don't see it as sexist. men have things to address. women have certain groups. that's how i see it. >> you're probably right about that. i think we need to have a time when we come together. we'll see what happens. i can take it either way. >> we mentioned earlier