ronald reagan is on the cover and you write about ronald reagan. you talk about the party being split up right now. how do you bring it back together and tell us what you write in the book about that and could he win today? is that part of the problem? >> he could win today. i will say this though. one of the things that concerns me and it has concerned me for quite some time. it doesn't seem right now, even though we are divided into these camps, the actual ideology and issues don't seem to matter as much as say anger and rage. chris christie and i will not name any names because i have learned not to name names of talk radio types that do things that drive our party over the cliff. >> you are not going to talk about radio types? >> no, i'm not. chris christie gets elected. he wins 60 whatever% of the vote he wins the majority of the hispanic voters and gets 20% of african-american voters which is still too low but it's a vast improvement over the four, five or 6% that we have been getting over decades. he wins among women as if pro-life northeast

ronald reagan on the cover. you write about ronald reagan, you talk about the party being split up. how do you bring it back together and tell us what you write in a book about that and could he win today? is that part of the problem? >> he could win today. one of the things that concerns me and has concerned me for quite sometime, it doesn't seem right now to be, even though we are divided into these camps, actual ideology and issues don't seem to matter as much as say enter and rage. chris christie, a will not name any names, i have learned not to name names of talk radio types that drive our party over the cliff. i know i am not so i will say certain public figures, chris christie who is speaking into a microphone every david three hours, chris christie gets elected, he wins 60% of the vote, wins a majority of the hispanic voters, gets 20% of african-american voters which is too low but it is a vast improvement over the 6% we have been getting for decades. he wins imam women in a. state. a certain talk-radio host says if he wants to prove he is a true conservative he needs to cal

and then governor ronald reagan. reagan would of course to go ton to lead 50 states.question of how much power the federal government should have over the states would be more important than a casual viewer in 1967 might have imageled. let's rejoin william f. buckley. >> let me ask you this, since a lot of people routinely cynical about the whole notion of state's rights, it has been very widely contended for instance most recently by senator tidings of maryland that americans like to talk about states rights because there is still a certain glamor to the argument and a certain scientific exact tude of the whole notion of pluralism and federalism and so on. but in fact the states haven't historically acted in such a way as to provide the essential services of the people. his argument and that of a great many others is if one were to remitt to the state all of the money going to the federal government the chances are the states simply dissipate and create more hot dog stands and more public squall lar in the face of this. isn't it true the state's revenues have risen s

at this point the only guy that could live up to the ideals is ronald reagan himself. >> ronald reagan brought about obama's election. let's look at what political hero ronald reagan tried to do with three million illegals. >> reagan botched it though. >> exactly that's what i'm saying. >> we have to stop worshiping ronald reagan. [ laughter ] >> >> jon: holy (bleep) when ronald reagan is just another hollywood liberal you have to say your to party are you kidding me? ack.l be rightk. modern/remixed version ♪ this holiday, tech the halls and ring in the savings with our radioshack price match guarantee. get great deals on the best brands at radioshack. [cheers and applause] >> jon: welcome back to the show. 47 million, believe this figure is right. 47 million americans on food stamps to help them meet their nutritional needs. it's why congressional republicans got together to put them on a diet. looking to cut $40 billion from the food stamp program. luckily the democrats were there to keep the cuts on $4 billion on top of $5 billion that went in effect. good times. jessica williams ha

"the shooting of ronald reagan," next. >>> on january 20, 1981, ronald wilson reagan was sworn in at the 40th president of the united states. >> i, ronald reagan, do solemnly swear -- >> as with most new administrations, reagan's first couple of months are rocky. >> this is the 70th day of reagan's presidency. things were not going particularly well. he had a very low approval rating, the lowest of any president in his first term. it's a monday. reagan has one deal, deliver a speech to the afl-cio. it's 2:00, reagan's the motorcade arrived behind us, this is the special entrance, the v.i.p. entrance reagan walked into when he first arrived. >> governmental duty is to protect the people, no the run their lives. >> the event is covered by all the major networks. for abc news photography hank brown, it's a routine job. >> we wanted to get the picture of the president walking out of the hotel and getting in the limo. >> 15 feet from that door was a rope line. >> all that the cameramen and everybody's laughing. it was unsecured. no i.d. checks. people thought it was a press line. it wasn'

i have asked for years about ronald reagan, and you never quite get what ronald reagan was like up close. tell us. how many times did you meet with him? >> practically every day for most of the time i was there. >> start with the woodshed thing. when you were taken to the woodshed because you had been talking to bill, what did he say? >> first of all, as i laid out in the book, and it is no secret after all of these years, that was a photo opp. it was what the gamblers at the white house came up with. actually, when i had lunch, i went to the same explanation of the story that we just talked about, and he was totally sympathetic, and the two of us were in the oval office, no one else, having our lunch, soup, whenever it was, and he said, "you know, that reminds me when i was president of the actors guild, and we were having what i thought was an off-the-record meeting with executives, and there was some press in there, and all of a sudden, i had a firestorm in my hands. i know what happens when you get betrayed by the press." we had a very amicable lunch, and then looking to do something

she was also of course a towering figure on the world stage, together with ronald reagan she confronted the might of the soviet empire. and through the strength of the partnership between reagan and thatcher, this mighty empire collapsed. she also led britain to victory in the falklands war in 1982. of a talking a bit more about that later in my talk. but the falklands war instrumental restoring british pride, reestablish britain as a great warrior nation. she had infinite faith in the ability of britain's armed forces. but that victory of course was based upon margaret thatcher is rebuilding of britain's armed forces and increasing defense spending after defense cuts of the 1970s, and as a demonstration that if you want to go to war you have to prepared to fight those wars by investing years ahead in military capability them otherwise you will something not be able to fight and win those wars. what were the qualities that made margaret thatcher a truly great figure? these are the qualities that i think made thatcher a truly great leader, and which are discussed at length in my book wit

adamle stevenson's address and he also read a real and serious books so he gets high marks both ronald reagan gets high marks for his use of the media in the way that he appeared with and as i say in the book without pop culture, ronald reagan had never would have made it through anything let alone president. >> thank you. >> this was a deliberate move and to simply and with a controversy, but was always the perspective of the government. in other words, she was the one that stuck out to say hello to the crowd. she was responsible. there was very much the idea, but she was a victim and she should have been protected and there was no protection. they said the formation of an elite force that led accompany her into the political rally where she was killed after. we sell videos and pictures and we talked to the witnesses with 150 people and all the people we interviewed saw no formation, no elite force for the police protection and that was the duty of the government, that was the duty of musharraf. >> the former assistant secretary general we are talking with ida jones at the national press clu

here now is governor ronald reagan on "firing line" in 1967. >> ladies and gentlemen, my name is c. dickerman williams. i shall act as chairman of the discussion between governor reagan and mr. buckley. the subject of the discussion is, "is it possible to be a good governor"? governor reagan, would you answer mr. buckley's questions? has not the federal government preempted the principal sources of taxation? >> this is a great problem facing the states and endangering the very federal system of a federation of sovereign states. the federal government has preempted so much of the tax source, the state find itself hard put to find sources without upsetting the economic balance that can keep our economy moving and then in turn the state in its desperation for money, reduces the local community. people must depend every day are furnished. education, police protection, maintenance of the streets. sewage, garbage disposal, all of the services. your local communities are more desperate than the states so the states end up taxing and then putting back a great portion of the money taxed by th

legibly independent judicial branch but since since the election of ronald reagan seventy three percent of all of the federal judges that appointed have been appointed by ronald reagan or george bush or george bush jr you know in that we have these reactionaries from the federalist society now in the judicial branch which are making it virtually impossible to to seek protection from the judicial branch against the unconstitutional conduct of the executive so that a constitutional litigation attorney such as myself find myself right at the center of these types of confrontations between the raw assertion of executive power whether it's rendition or torturing people or asserting the right under the national defense authorization act to unilaterally arrest american citizens and hold them in detention with no right of habeas corpus and the right to counsel and no one would believe that this could possibly have happened in our country but here it is what i do in the book in the people's advocate as i explained from a front row seat that i had throughout these entire last three decades what i

ronald reagan cut taxes, tripled the debt, and left with 65% approval.ill clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget for the first time in 40 years, and left with 65% approval -- after being impeached. in both cases, the voters look at the results. they thought the country was better off under each stewardship. if health care works, he will be remembered positively. >> i'm going to say something non--controversy out. i think barack obama will be the most consequent to president since franklin delano roosevelt. do not take a snapshot in time. a year and a half into his presidency, ronald reagan's approval rating was 35%. it stayed low a whole year. in 1989, bill clinton was impeached. look where he is today. take the long view. if the affordable care act does survive, and i think it will survive, that is going to be a major achievement. look at things like energy independence. the united states for the first time in 20 years is importing less energy from overseas. the banking industry has been recapitalized. the auto industry has been saved. you can go dow

did he ever come back and say i nailed that one. >> ronald reagan was funny. n think having been in show business or politics a long time he nailed it i own that room. stuff like that. he never did. not that i ever saw. reagan was amazingly modest. he had a lot of humility. he didn't brag about his ability to get people. when people listened to him they felt as he did, they felt that was because he felt like they did. he felt there was a kind of communion going on. he didn't brag. he was a fellow who had an e-- didn't have an ego. >>> president reagan may have brought the greatest generation to tears but take a look at some of the events from that incredible era say they are more concerned about what troops are facing today in our special "saluting the greatest generation." >> there are hidden treasures through out the memorial to handwritten rotes people receive from loved ones to a guy named kill roy a picture of a man looking over a wall that says kill roy went here. people are supposed to find them themselves as they come to visit here. it was an inside jok

ronald reagan had a real problem with iran contra. his poll ratings dropped overnight because people, even people who do not even vote for reagan, there was a special kind of bond that existed between reagan and the american people. it may have gone back to the assassination attempt, or the air traffic control strike situation. him with wanting to do the right thing. and then iran contra came around and there was no way to fit that into that assumption. in the end, he appointed an independent review committee. there was a congressional committee. he took his lumps, he went down in the polls, but the interesting thing is that really successful presidents -- fdr, on march, established an emotional connection that kept him in good stead through all sorts of controversies. or lincoln. helm.y he took the never a majority of loyal americans who thought lincoln, in fact, was a dictator , which is what he was called by his critics. reagan had some of that as well. lucky presidents have it. it sustains them. so at the end of his second term, he

. >> ♪ >> in 1988, the year in which this program began, ronald reagan was in the white house.illiam rehnquist was chief justice. republicans nominated vice president george herbert walker bush for president. democrats nominated massachusetts governor michael dukakis. president reagan visited the soviet union. gorbachev visited the united states. barack obama began his studies at harvard law school, hired on as a summer intern in chicago, anmet young lawyer named michelle robinson whom he later married. before he announced his candidacy, mark shields said this on "iide washington." >> i will say this about obama. he is genuine and spontaneous in the e field of teleprompter candidates. >> he has had not take --had to take a position. when he becomes a cacandidate, they will go after him and take him down. he ought to enjoy this while he can. >> hillary has money and all the organization. he has something nobody else has had, the excitement factor. people go wow. >> that was about three mths before barack obama announced. as he ends is on the job, his poll numbers are plummeting.

predictions about you know if that middle class gets too big this is this ronald reagan's reason why college shouldn't be free if that middle class gets too big and too strong and too healthy they'll start demanding things while they were at the same time business was under assault in one nine hundred sixty two you had racial carlson publish your book silent spring in one thousand nine hundred sixty five ralph nader had published on safe at any speed the consequence of those two books was a brand new environmental movement and a brand new consumer movement so by nine hundred seventy one when lewis powell set down and wrote a memo to his for a new gene sindoor of the chamber of commerce he opened the memo with a phrase to the effect of american business is under assault as is america itself and he actually meant that and he meant that in a way that wasn't like some evil plotting the. this was the conservatives looking at an america that was changing so rapidly that they were afraid it could turn into the bolshevik revolution and let's talk about your book of course that was the subtit

predictions about you know if that middle class gets too big this is this ronald reagan's reason why college shouldn't be free if that middle class gets too big and too strong and too healthy will start demanding things while they were at the same time business was under assault in one hundred sixty two you had racial carlson publish your book silent spring in one thousand nine hundred sixty five ralph nader had published on safe at any speed the consequence of those two books was a brand new environmental movement and a brand new consumer movement so by nine hundred seventy one when lewis powell set down and wrote a memo to his for a new gene sindoor of the chamber of commerce he opened the memo with the phrase to the effect of american business is under assault as is america itself and he actually meant that and he meant that in a way that wasn't like some evil plotting guy this was the conservatives looking at an america that was changing so rapidly that they were afraid it could turn into the bolshevik revolution and let's talk about your book of course that was the subtitle the

>> ronald reagan was funny. would think having been in show business, having been in politics for a long time, that he would talk that way, i nailed it, i owned that room, stuff like that. >> yeah, a little bit. >> no, he never did. or not that i ever saw. reagan was amazingly modest. he had a lot of humility. and he didn't brag about his ability to get people. when people listened to him and they felt as he did, he felt it was because he felt like they did. he felt like there was a kind of communion going on. but he didn't brag. he was a fellow who had an ego who didn't brag. >> he is very missed by many people today, peggy. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> peggy noonan, everybody. president reagan may have brought the greatest generation to tears, but coming up we'll take a look at why some of the vets from that incredible era say they are more concerned about what our troops are facing today. as our special saluting the greatest generation continues. >> there are hidden treasures throughout

let me play what ronald reagan said in 1986 at the time. >> this was in a sovereign nation, you can't and tell them how to run their country. >> barry, let me bring you in. your concern is that -- not -- i don't know if that's the right word, something you pointed out. >> that's the right word. >> you're concerned that people will see the image of nelson mandela today, which is a beautiful image, as you pointed out some see it as a loving grandfather and forget the fighter who went up against the world in a sense and went up against those who might have known what was right in their hearts but chose to act differently with their words and their actions. >> i think that's well said. and my people, to define them, i write books for american middle grade students and my concern -- and i was pleased to see you had a picture of nelson mandela with mohammed ali. >> you make the parallel between the two great men. >> one actually wonderful story is that when mandela was released from robin island and was -- had access to a television, his first request was to watch the thriller in manila. do

we dominated that area. >> your point about ronald reagan speaks to that. reagan was a child of goldwater. that is what inspired me to get politics. anti-big government, anti-communism. bad ideas, right? e fit our conservative principals to his day. it, dded something to economic determinism, optimism. we can do and be anything we want. there's a shining city out there, right? we have a rendezvous with destiny. what reagan did in his time for his party, our time to do in our for our party. our job is not to go back anywhere. argument.a wonderful big top down government doesn't work. they served us an example of how it doesn't work. works.g what does work? what republican governors are doing. to the s closer problems. governing bottom up, know, we've you got the examples. we can make a better case now. the o the point about amendment, get that's the great fight to have. with that. the base but moses didn't say, hey, i got great idea, let's go to the desert. it's really hot there, dry, a little bit. it will be good. moses said let's go to the promise land. bet

going way, way back to ronald reagan and his firing of the air traffic controllers. why shouldn't obama use this to in a time when congress is in a stalemate. i think you are forgetting the positive things that come out of the executive orders. things like aid for hurricane sandy victims and review of cancer drugs. things dealing with nonuse of or pro huh business of biological agents. >> it is true that other presidents have used the executive orders. however, this blueprint, the blueprint podesta outlined which will be implemented in 2014 goes way beyond what other presidents have done. >> mac has a point. you can look them up. obama has not used that very often. he used prept d different orders to disrupt the economy. he changed his own law 14 times. that's pretty dubious and questionable. it has thrown one-6th of the economy in chaos. you look at the bp oil spill and the find without authority at all will. he suspended drilling in the golf, again without any authority. it puts the official words executive orders aside and it looks at the amount of manipulation in

filibuster to block a martin luther king holiday and blocked sanctions against south africa, president ronald reaganfrica opening up a split in the gop. after the government crack said down on anti-apartheid protests in reagan's first term will killing more than 2,000 blacks and imprisoning thousands, they had a party of constructionive engagement. >> this is a sovereign nation. you ka can't tell them how to run their country. >> after may passed sanctions, reagan vetoed the bill in september. >> i think the simple case is that punitive sanctions that would affect the economy there would not only be disruptive to surrounding states that are linked to south africa's economy and be punitive to the people that we want to help. i think that up on the hill there whatever intentions there may be, they are asking for something that would not be helpful. >> finally congress including key republicans like former indiana senator richard lugar and mitch mcconnell overrode reagan's veto passing the anti-apartheid act into law with a vote of 78-21 in the senate. >> we are against tyranny and tyranny is in south

the couldn't stop talking about ronald reagan. a lot of their ideas were 1980 air a reagan ideas -- 1980 era reagan ideas. their idea was to cut taxes. if your car breaks down, cut taxes. if you're houses on fire, cut taxes. if your lawn needs mowing, cut taxes. that was the only idea that they presented to voters. americans thought that they had very old ideas. >> they only felt that way because it was true. >> how many years have you seen the same commercial where a guy stands up and says i am for less taxes, less regulation and more freedom? we've been doing that since 1980 and, yes, we are all for that. but if that is the only message and we don't connect that to working-class voters -- by the way, in 1994 when we took over, we owned as a party working- class voters making like 30,000 dollars to $60,000. we dominated that area. >> your point about ronald reagan speaks to that. reagan was a child of goldwater. that is what inspired me to get into politics. reagan could have echoed goldwater. anti-big government, anti- communism.

the united states under ronald reagan's leadership was of no help. no help. ronald reagan had a blind spot. he saw the world through the narrow tunnel prism of anti-communism. and when the united states just outraged by apartheid and where the majority of the republican senate passed sanctions, ronald reagan vetoed them against the apartheid regime. and his veto was overridden in the senate and in the house, overwhelmingly, with, i mean people like john warner, dan quayle, the senator from indiana, john stennis, lock time democratic segregationist from mississippi. all voting to overturn. and it was really a time of moral obtuseness on the part of the leadership. >> mark's absolutely right about that. and it was a blind-- a black mark on the reagan administration. i was in south africa i used to ask people, how much do the sanctions really hurt. and the common answers was the sports sanctions really hurt. it's a sports crazy country. and their teams couldn't play abroad and that was a moral insult that we're not worthy to play abroad. secondly i want to say a

predictions about you know if that middle class gets too big this is this ronald reagan's reason why college shouldn't be free if that middle class has to begin to strong into healthy they'll start demanding things while they were at the same time business was under assault in one hundred sixty two you had racial carlson paul published her book silent spring in one thousand nine hundred sixty five ralph nader had published on safe at any speed the consequence of those two books was a brand new environmental movement and a brand new consumer movement so by nine hundred seventy one when lewis powell. said donna wrote a memo to his friend eugene sender of the chamber of commerce he opened the memo with the phrase to the effect of american business is under assault as is america itself and he actually meant that and he meant that in a way that wasn't like some evil plotting guy this was the conservatives looking at an america that was changing so rapidly that they were afraid it could turn into the bolshevik revolution and let's talk about your book of course that was the subtitle the bo

and ronald reagan did it with a great chief of staff, a strong one jim baker.hat concern -- zeke emanuel said the other day there should have been one assigned by you to oversee the rollout of health care. and there wasn't. when secretary sebelius appeared in that hearing and was asked by marcia blackburn, who's in charge, it took her awhile to answer. and she final got to the cms. but it didn't seem like there was a top-down authority system from you. let's look forward. do you have a relationship with your cabinet that they follow through and execute as you envision they should or do you you work through a coup. what is your system for management? >> well, first of all i think it's important to distinguish between this particular health care project where it is obvious that we needed additional controls in place, because it didn't deliver on time the way we wanted. and how we've managed incredibly complex problems for the last five years. everything from wars to pandemics to, you know, natural disasters to expanding student loans for young people. generally s

as we cut them under ronald reagan and that point forward, the country has become less equal. the pope is brillnt, not just you mean and decent. he understands the fundamental truth that john kenneth galbraith expressed, and that is communism when man exploits man. capitalism is the opposite. when you look at the twouality, what you see is classes of people in america at the moment. we are less mobile than european countries. that is not always the case. i beg pope said it well, the lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor. we do t have that now. as they say in the baptist church, he spoke and he convicted us. >> thank you. see you next week. m a this thanksgiving weekend, a best of edition of "government matters your co--- of "government matters." the role of the federal cio. >> they don't have the same legal restrictions that we do. employing these capabilities right now. >> the u.s. military plays catch-up on small sick gail -- on small-scale cyber attacks. >> this is huge. workk patent offices

congress defied ronald reagan and imposed them any way.gan took his own stand against apartheid by appointing the first black man as ambassador to africa. four years later, mandela was free. his first visit to america. warmly welcomed at the white house. >> mr. mandela, a man who embodies the hopes of millions. >> reporter: it was bill clinton with whom he would develop the closest bond. mandela, now president of south africa, visited the white house during the darkest days of the clinton presidency. he gave his friend a boost. >> our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. >> reporter: this friendship clinton treasures to this day. >> we just hit it off. i just adored him. he was always, you know, he was a true friend. >> reporter: mandela, as an ex-president, met with george w. bush in 2005. but there was no love lost there. mandela was one of bush's harshest critics when it came to iraq. when we talked to bush about the ailing mandela earlier this year, there were no hard feelings. >> he promoted freedom. he was a really great

>> we have got to stop warshiping ronald reagan. >> holy [ bleep ]. >> when ronald reagan is anothert's get right to our panel, political strategist, angela rye, and guilani cob. welcome to you all. guila guilani, there is a lot of tactical considerations, is the nicest word i can use, for what we're watching on the senate floor right now, republican senators here, the last thing they're going to do at the end of this year of an unproddive congress, and they're going to decide right now as they huddle and shake hands where they want to be on what has been called a bipartisan budget. >> right. i think the most amazing thing here is that we're actually looking at this political system in the way it was supposed to work gone awry. one of the pride -- i guess points of pride about the american political system, it's supposed to protect the rights of minorities. you're not supposed to have a simple majority that can run roughshod. what we have actually seen is that flipped on its head where you have a small minority, a minority of a party that does not control the white house or the senat

and ronald reagan did it with a great chief of staff, a strong one jim baker.hat concern -- zeke emanuel said the other day there should have been one assigned by you to oversee the rollout of health care. and there wasn't. when secretary sebelius appeared in that hearing and was asked by marcia blackburn, who's in charge, it took her awhile to answer. and she final got to the cms. but it didn't seem like there was a top-down authority system from you. let's look forward. do you have a relationship with your cabinet that they follow through and execute as you envision they should or do you work through a coo. what is your system for management? >> well, first of all i think it's important to distinguish between this particular health care project where it is obvious that we needed additional controls in place, because it didn't deliver on time the way we wanted. and how we've managed incredibly complex problems for the last five years. everything from wars to pandemics to, you know, natural disasters to expanding student loans for young people. generally speaki

football brought a lot more from ronald reagan. what i mean by that is if you watch that movie, there's a sense in which notre dame do not only building young bodies on the football field but they were building character, that they were basically building young man. it was a real kind of problem -- propaganda tool for notre dame. what any by this that if you watch the movie at a certain point nude rockne, there's a gambler, a book you stumble syndrome and the kitchen that says when the user gambler surrender. you've ruined baseball, horse racing. when the going to let you ruin this clean game, and he throws them out. at a later point in the movie there were some politicians that want to do a way with football because corrupting the academic, corrupting academia essentially. and he says any player who flunks classes is of no use to his coach, and any coach in place a flunky is just a cool. reagan gets into the act. reagan has the speech, really kind of ham-handed speech where he says there will never be but one nude rocking. here at

i wanted to ask you, did ronald reagan ever come to regret that veto? as over written by the congress and sanctions were put on the south african government. but how did president reagan feel about that as time went on? >> well, i'm sure he did regret it, bob, in fact i'm certain that he did. it was after all i think the only time that a veto of his had been overwritten or was overwritten in two terms, i believe. and so certainly he regretted it. on the other hand, once that happened and control of south africa policy passed through the congress, president reagan was really determined to meet with and deal with the question of -- meet with the black leaders of south africa and deal with the problems of apartheid. he was able to do so. you know, i had the privilege of meeting with nelson mandela in innabia on the day of freedom day just after was released from prison. i have to tell that you i was really amazed at the soft spokenness of this man, at the conviction of this man, at the dignity of this man. he had an enduring and endearing presence of dignit

but then nancy and ronald reagan came on the scene and they why joined at the hip. >> they were. >> ronaldmade no bones about it that nancy was his partner and they were in it together and that was all over the place and that benefitted, i think, the president. >> she became controversial late. you remember the business about the astrology jer. >> no doubt about it. then we had bush the elder and barbara bush. >> she was wildly popular. >> there was more of a back and forth there. they were kind of joshing each othe other. then of course bill and hillary clinton. >> she was controversial because she had her own agenda and on health care in particular and she set out to fulfill that. in one sense she was a power behind the throne and the way you didn't get with nancy or barbara bush. >> a lot of people thought nancy was driving the policy. >> she was liberal. >> then we get to w. and laura bush and that was a respectful and close relationship and he benefitted from her. >> no doubt. >> i don't think i've ever seen an interview as overtly romantic as the obamas. >> when she said i do love yo

neither cared for ronald reagan, who had asked them to go. so, they did bond. in fact, at the ford funeral, jimmy carter noted that he and gerald ford worked together on 25 different projects. by the end of just that flight, they had already agreed to appear at one another's library. so, it really seems to be one of these rare moments where two people who never normally would socialize are forced into a situation where they have to and it turns out they get along swimmingly. >> fascinating to see if anything comes from this particular flight. jake tapper in washington for us tonight, thank you. >> thanks, brooke. >>> the nsa and this new revelation from that seemingly endless stream of leaks left behind by edward snowden. this one makes spycraft sound more like a game than real life when, in fact, it is a game featuring these guys. goblins, elves, dwarfs, trolls. could they be the new faces of terror or nsa spies under cover? the new leak indicates they may be both. stay with me here. according to documents obtained by snowden and share would the "new york time

ronald reagan, in that clip you played, sean, talked about how deficits impact inflation and drive up we don't have inflation right now. >> we have a fed pumping $85 billion a month to prop up our economy. when they stop feeding that beast, what do you think will happen? >> 17 trillion dollars debt and economy very sick, unemployment rate now has sustained 7 plus. we know, sean and juan, unemployment is really 10-12%. i talk about this in my book, not just the economic, the whole dependence culture and 50 million people on food stamps, this whole thing that dependence is cool again. our economy is sick and culture is sick, in my view. >> also 90 trillion in unfunded liable. juan, you're saying eag though we have trillion dollar deficit, 7 trillion plus new obama debt, you're saying that's not enough, we can still continue to rob future generations blind. that, to me, was moral issue. would you ever steal money from your own son who's been on this country, i don't think you would. we're robbing our kids blind. why do you support stealing like that? i don't understand it. >> you put it