as it turns out the former commissioners and the former irs commissioners going back to ronald regan we connect with each other and we have a network. they were supportive of me when i was going through confirmation. and when there is news about the irs and we think we can help or explain what is going on to the members of the public we do so. when we heard about the lay-offs and we understood that the stated purpose of the lay-offs was cost efficiency, we all scratched our head and said how can this be about cost efficiency when the irs is the primary agency responsible for collecting the revenue and the receipts for the u.s. government. >> they would say it's a bloated agency and you don't need those 7,000 and you are paying them for no reason. >> i would say that you don't understand the history of the irs. the irs has gone through a decade of budget cuts from 2010 to 2022 the irs was cut or held constant by inflation. or essentially was cut. the staff size in 2022 before the inflation reduction act was passed was at it's lowest point since the 1970s. in the meantime the populatio