ok i'd like to welcome back ronald sullivan he's a professor of law and director of criminal justice institute at harvard law school and is joining us live by skype from newton in massachusetts it's good to have you with us by waiting for the that the jury i beg your pardon the the witnesses to start filing in the proceedings start to begin in about i think 13 minutes time or so i want to ask you about something that that our correspondent john mentioned earlier that judge peter khalil has decided that deryk children should not be called the defendant he should be called mr what's the rationale behind that do you think. well the rationale behind that is that it prejudices a criminal defendant when he's referred to as the defendant it's dehumanizing in d. personalising prosecutors do it all the time in american courts and they very dramatically save the defendant did this in the defendant did that and in it in a really cast of all on the point of person of q.'s i've spent time before i was a law professor i was a public defender and it would grate on me every time i heard someone call

entirely clear at this point come on ok john hendren in minneapolis thank you analysis now with ronald sullivan who's a professor of law and director of criminal justice institute at the harvard law school he's on skype from newton massachusetts ronald thank you for your time. witnesses who were hearing at the moment this is a strong time i guess for the prosecution you're getting this unfiltered wood from young people as i said a 9 year old girl there the kind of stuff which the defense will really struggle to refute. that was powerful testimony you're absolutely right the 9 year old i think was 8 at the time of the incident. people that young i mean anyone with children know that children sometimes can be brutally honest no there is no motive to fabricate no motive to curry favor with one side or another it's just a child. talking about her riffing seen i have an 11 year old i cannot imagine my child seeing something like that and then having to come and relive it and test the pie about it so it is a it is a really really tough. test of mony for the defense to deal with i imagine on cross-exa

when i last spoke to ronald sullivan he is a professor of law and also director of the criminal justice institute at harvard law school he says live streaming us added a new element to this trial. with respect to what's going on inside the courtroom every study available shows that after the 1st couple hours everyone forgets that the cameras are there so the lawyers are behaving for the cameras the witnesses tend to forget that they are there and people behave in the way that they would normally behave the difficulty is exposure by the jury so right now we have we live in a world where you can pick up your cell phone you can pick up your tablet you can turn on your computer or you can turn on the television there are so many sources of information now and with this being live streamed all over the world the likelihood that a a juror will turn on some device and see a hit line about this case is extra ordinarily high now i know that the judge told them don't watch the news but that seems insufficient when you pick up your phone you get these these suggestions of what you should read in t

the protests to be very careful there ok thank you so much will be crossing back to you thanks ronald sullivan for speaking to us from massachusetts. thank you. for move to other news now in the container set that's blocked the suez canal for nearly a week is moving again the 400 meter long ever given had been weds across the canal since tuesday the blockade has disrupted the global supply chains and hundreds of cargo ships and oil tankers have been delayed alexy o'brien reports. finally on the move the ever given being told to down the so was canal after being stuck for almost a week. the celebrations began before dawn as the mess of container ship was 1st partially refloated the. a despite an international rescue effort the vessel had been waged across the waterway which is one of the busiest in the world. since tuesday dredges and diggers have removed thousands of cubic meters of sand from underneath the ship and a flotilla of tugboats has worked on dislodging it it's forced tankers and cargo ships to queue at either end of the canal delaying global trade each day that passes is about $7.00

minneapolis policeman derek accused of killing the black man george floyd i'd like to bring in ronald sullivan now our expert legal guest who's been very patient has been staying with us right throughout. this morning's coverage he's a professor of law and director of criminal justice institute at the harvard law school so broad your take on what we've seen 1st of all with donald williams the witness who saw george floyd's being killed and who said that he was witnessing a murderous italy to john and he was. talking about this as well the fact that there was an attempt by the defense almost it seemed any time race came into it or angered to sort of paint him as a forgive my phrasing here an angry black man. rode your microphone is news had i'm sorry or no that's that's that's my my apology go ahead liam's was a great witness for the state here you have a person trained in the use of choko who is standing there simply eating with the police to let this guy up let him breathe and and i think that was some powerful testimony and it's difficult to rebut now the theory of the defense is this that t

of course as soon as i stop this they're going to start again but we'll try because we've got ronald sullivan who's listening along with us is a professor of law and the director of criminal justice institute at the harvard law school is on skype from newton massachusetts good to have you with us ronald and apologies if i have to bail out wouldn't you know it the taking the headphones off again. i knew this would happen ronald sit tight we'll come back to you shortly once they finish so mr williams why did you think it was so horton's that you are not being heard. with a side show you consciousness. you process. conscious and also from condition of our future so so so. you can go so. you're here are patient. so let me ask you just where the. last know the struggle of this in the. incident and sir. so you were concerned about mr floyd losing his life curt. i have nothing for. you. you were asked a series of questions on redirect about your experience a mixed martial arts. career can you tell me about any of the conversations that you had as you were being rendered under unconscious. would you.

you of course as those pictures from the courtroom start being fed to us but i want to bring in ronald sullivan he's a professor of law and the director of criminal justice institute at harvard law school and he's joining us live by skype from newton massachusetts thank you very much indeed for being with us today sir we heard benjamin crump the flight family lawyer speaking right at the start of the press conference saying that this was a referendum on how far america has come in its quest for equality and justice for all how much in your opinion is this a landmark case it's very much a landmark case that tests a number of assumptions here in the u.s. i think is absolutely right we're going to see whether a jury is willing or not to or at least officer to account for the death of an unarmed black man which is just a huge issue here in the u.s. particularly of late. given the fact that the death of rodney king back in 1901 sparked huge protests part of those. being driven by racial and economic inequality on the sounds of these let's translate this where we're in the same similar at least situa