>> look, fact of the matter is, when rone arlidge came on, he had been the president of abc sports and we at abc news were terrified of this guy who came in wearing his jungle suit and his red -- i mean, his golden bracelets that he wore and he was not one of the champions of great journalism when he came on. he became that. he evolved and he evolved in some large measure because he ran up against immovable objects like howard k. smith and frank reynolds, and people who still believed that good journalism was important. and nobody. >> he turned. he recognized good journalism and moved toward it. >> he recognized it. i will tell you the back story of "nightline." for about a year before the iran hostage crisis, rone arlidge came to us in the news division and said any time something of real major importance happens, i want to do a late night special on it, 11:30, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, i don't care. he initially wanted a one-hour news cast at the dinner hour. at 6:30. the affiliated stations would not go along, so he decided he was going to seize that time, and by the time we got to th