even though ronnie lee -- donna, what, what were the circumstances how did ronnie come to kill your beloved-- michael was doing a pro bono case in salt lake. and had won the case for this vietnam veteran. and had gone downstairs to file the paperwork. and that's when he was killed. >> larry: why was he killed? >> ronnie lee was trying to escape. he was there on another charge. another murder charge. and he was trying to escape. >> larry: so michael was a bystander? >> yes. yes. >> larry: what -- what a tragedy and your forgiveness or understanding of this is amazing. are you opposed to capital punishment in general? >> yes. yes. i don't think one killing -- killing, for being killed, it just keeps it going. the cycle going. i think that we as a human race are -- all the brilliant minds we have on this planet, we could come up with maybe something better. >> larry: ronnie and his relatives say that after nearly 25 years in prison, he is a changed man. >> larry: thank you, donna. you have our best. >> thank you so much. >> larry: this week's cnn hero is a tour guide from cambodia. she uses he

host: this is from houston, texas, ronnie. caller: good morning to america, even though it seems like a sad state of affairs. judge made an excellent comment. we are talking about karzai. george bush started this mess. and there is no stopping it. karzai was crowded, we did, and wrong from the beginning. how can you get someone who is wrong and expect them to do something right? america is choking on its own vomit whether you realize it or not. these people over there talk about khan, caesar, russia, but this is a trap that ameeica is been right now. host: this article from the front page. a reminder that britain was paying a high price for keeping our country save. kansas city, missouri, justin, an independent color. caller: hi, thanks for taking my call. i think it is completely ridiculous. the first reaction -- we got into this for money, and now we're spending money and getting troops killed in general. it is ridiculous that 50 years ago people would be marching hundreds of thousands of people protesting the war like this,

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