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wansworth was at the centre of one of the most famous prison break up when the great train robber ronnie biggsin 1965 and started a new life in rio de janeiro. 1994 saw the last escape by inmates linked to terrorism when ira members broke out of whitemoor prison. the red and white checked trousers and white shirt that khalife was wearing when he staged the embarrassing escape were one of the cooked's uniforms at the prison. he must have been very distinctive when he first broke out before he managed to change clothes. and to another manhunt — this time in the us. a convicted murderer is still at large, nearly a week after he escaped from prison in pennsylvaia. danelo souza cavalcante was sentenced last week to life in prison for killing his ex—girlfriend, but he managed to escape from prison and is still on the run. he's been spotted on security cameras, and schools have been closed in the area he's suspected to be hiding for two days. and from one legendary band, to a legendary artist — the late queen star, freddie mercury. 1,400 items that he once sold have begun going up for auction in lond

joining us certain ronnie biggs. us also in the studio, author chris pickard, who is actually friends with ronnie biggs, who literally went over the wall rope ladder down onto the van, waiting and away he went. they didn't away he went. and they didn't get him. they know get hold of him. did they know it took him 13,000 days before he came back on he came back and he came back on his effectively ? his own accord, effectively? >> mean, it's just >> exactly. i mean, it's just like all again 60 like watching it all again 60 years later. it's extraordinary. >> 8th july, and >> 1965, 65, 8th of july, and what we're seeing is, is they don't seem to learn anything . don't seem to learn anything. >> i would think if you're looking at this gentleman who's disappeared the moment, he's disappeared at the moment, he's not done this by himself. there will been lot of will have been a lot of planning. he would to planning. he would have had to have that was have known the time that van was coming in, having it prepared. so there's

once with was at the centre of one of the most famous prison break up when the great train robber ronnie biggsrope ladder in 1965 and started a new life in rio dejaneiro.199li saw new life in rio dejaneiro. 1994 saw the last new life in rio dejaneiro.1994 saw the last escape by inmates linked to terrorism when ira members broke out of whitemoor prison. the red and white checked trousers and white shirt that khalife was wearing when he staged the embarrassing as it were one of the cooked's uniforms at the prison. he must have been very distinctive when he first broke out before he managed to change clothes. we'll speak to our political editor chris mason in westminster in a moment, but first, daniel sandford is at scotland yard. bring us up to date with the latest, daniel. ., ., , , ., ., , daniel. there are no signs of any early breakthrough _ daniel. there are no signs of any early breakthrough in _ daniel. there are no signs of any early breakthrough in this - daniel. there are no signs of any i early breakthrough in this manhunt and in fact the immediate omens do not look that good because

ronnie biggs famously getting out the wall at wandsworth out over the wall at wandsworth using a ropeer and finishing up on a beach in brazil . and for many years and brazil. and for many years and maybe this khalifa escape, maybe it'll go down in history as one of those. what have we learnt today? well, we've learnt that there was strapping underneath there was strapping underneath the delivery van so clearly, clearly , lee, this guy was not clearly, lee, this guy was not working. danny khalifa was not working. danny khalifa was not working on his own. that i think is pretty clear. and there is the most gigantic manhunt going on. in fact, the m20 this morning heading south in kent was virtually closed for several hours . but i was virtually closed for several hours. but i think was virtually closed for several hours . but i think what we're hours. but i think what we're going to do this evening with my guests who know more about this subject than i do is talk about the state our prisons , what the state of our prisons, what they've to , and they've actually come to, and perhaps gives

ronnie biggs famously getting out the wall at wandsworth out over the wall at wandsworth using a ropedder and finishing up on a beach in brazil . and for many years and brazil. and for many years and maybe this khalifa escape, maybe it'll go down in history as one of those. what have we learnt today? well, we've learnt that there was strapping underneath there was strapping underneath the delivery van so clearly, clearly , lee, this guy was not clearly, lee, this guy was not working. danny khalifa was not working. danny khalifa was not working on his own. that i think is pretty clear. and there is the most gigantic manhunt going on. in fact, the m20 this morning heading south in kent was virtually closed for several hours . but i was virtually closed for several hours. but i think was virtually closed for several hours . but i think what we're hours. but i think what we're going to do this evening with my guests who know more about this subject than i do is talk about the state our prisons , what the state of our prisons, what they've to , and they've actually come to, and perhaps giv

. >> and that's why you had to deal with a certain ronnie biggs on his return from brazil. >> well, verywould say that has changed. that nothing has changed. >> over the wall with >> going over the wall with a rope ladder and give me a rope ladder and you give me a very fascinate eating book that i'm looking forward to read on that interested to hear that i'll be interested to hear your former home your thoughts as a former home secretary. you. your thoughts as a former home secthanks. you. your thoughts as a former home secthanks. yisl. your thoughts as a former home secthanks. yis this a joke >> thanks. mark, is this a joke between us? >> yeah. he's not the home secretary. >> no. yesterday i called mark the home secretary instead of the home secretary instead of the security editor and the home and security editor and certain are not letting the home and security editor and certforget are not letting the home and security editor and certforget that.are not letting the home and security editor and certforget that. let's»t letting the home and security editor and certforget that. let's m

here was in 2019 the most famous escape of course, was back in 1965 when the great train robber , ronnie biggslly handing himself in and coming back to the uk to complete the rest of his prison term. but it certainly be no stranger to prison escapes. over the years here at wandsworth, and there are questions being asked as to why . why a terror suspect why. why a terror suspect awaiting trial was held here and not at one of the higher category prisons such as belmarsh , where the vast belmarsh, where the vast majority of terror prisoners do go to. and our understanding is that he was at belmarsh but then transferred to wandsworth, which is a i'm sure, going to raise many eyebrows there will be many questions about that. >> and indeed, the fact that he had access to this kitchen as a terror suspect where there will be knives and also doors opening to accept deliveries, it's quite astonishing really, isn't it ? astonishing really, isn't it? yes >> i mean, i think in terms of that process of determining where he should be housed as he awaits his trial now as a remand prisoner , that will certainl

many decades ago we had great train robber robbie big —— ronnie biggs escaped from wandsworth prison. local prison were six days without water. the nhs is on its knees. this has to be a wake—up call for the government to actually do something about this. i am assuming that you mentioned at the beginning you are the local mp, saying you lived very close by. among other things, i dare say people who live near prisons, it could be one or another prison in the uk, must be a little bit concerned about how easy it is an assumption is made that prisoners are kept inside the prison. if it is so easy to get out, that is an immediate concern for people living close by. t0 immediate concern for people living close b . ., , immediate concern for people living closeb. :,, :, , immediate concern for people living closeb. .,, ., , , immediate concern for people living closeb. .,, ., , ,., ., close by. to be honest, it is a real concern when _ close by. to be honest, it is a real concern when you _ close by. to be honest, it is a real concern when you live _ close by. to be honest, it is a real conce

most famous escapes from wandsworth, think was from wandsworth, i think was great train robber ronnie biggs think hm >> i think he escaped from wandsworth, he? and wandsworth, didn't he? and eventually to eventually when he started to give interviews where he ever, ever fled to all over the ever he had fled to all over the world, he said that the thing thatis world, he said that the thing that is so about being on that is so awful about being on the run is that you've run out of money and friends very quickly . quickly. >> and that's that's a very important point. and it's one of two things. he's either being financially supported and isn't and doesn't need to commit crime whilst he's on the run because obviously that could bring attention very attention to him very, very quickly point out, the quickly. as you point out, the late, know, the look back at late, you know, the look back at history, the krays and history, it was the krays and biggs managed escape biggs that managed to escape wandsworth, b prison. wandsworth, a category b prison. he's one many that has he's now one of many that h