roof. it is also a competitive fairness issue. we have heard from local union 40 that they support this issue. because reputable movers do not use a torch-apply roofing on combustible moves. there are other alternatives. it is really sort of fly by night roofers undercutting the more responsible roofers. when you get one of these ro by nightofers -- fly by night roofers. so we feel that maybe this will eliminate this unfair competitive advantage that can be had by using this unsafe practice cheery lastly, i will bring up the point of the enforcement issue this. we have regulations that are applicable where you need a one hour fire watch after the fire is completed, which is hard to enforce at the end of the day. one person is supposed to stayed behind to watch, but it is hard to enforce. you do not know if they had a permit or it was hard to get a permit. the letter that you have from the associated contractor, looking for clarification about the definition of noncombustible roofs to specif

roof. what is the difference? how would you describe -- describe that? >> a combustible roof is a wooden roof, it can be caught on fire with a torch. noncombustible might be an asphalt roof or a plastic or ceramic coating. the association of roofing contractors, where a light board to be put on or a fiberglass board, put on to insulate the wooden roof from the woofing. -- roofing. making sure that there is no chance that the roof could catch on fire. >> you are proposing to ban the torch completely from the job site? >> to ban the use of forges on wooden roofs. . -- torch's on wooden roofs. >> how many of these type are installed every year? >> i do not think we have the right numbers on that. i do not think the process takes down the tight. but it is something that we look into. >> how many fires are being caused by this? do we know? >> we have heard from the fire department about seven to 10 roofing fires happen every year. >> how many? >> 7 to 10. >> do you know of those were permitted o

>> i would like to make a motion to support the ban on fortified roofing. -- torch applied roofing. >> what is before us today is prohibition. banning the practice this material is wonderful for rooftop backs. they are all over the city and it is a wonderful material that is lightweight, expanding and contracting with the material. i have no problem with paying more money to have a system put in if it is safe for the neighbors and the building occupants. of course, this has come up a number of times where there have been fires due to this. this certainly should be watched and carefully monitored, but to take a product that is an excellent product and prohibit it from use, it really works well in san francisco. particularly on these rooftop decks. their light weight compared to the old fashion systems with many layers that are heavier on the buildings and light weight in an earth rate -- earthquake prone area, which i think we should certainly regulate. no doubt about that. thank you very much. >> thank you. the next speaker? >> good morning, commissioners. luca brian. we wanted to wei

i said the roof, not roofing. >> if it is within the same location as the existing roof, then no, not if it is an expansion. it would not have triggered any thing. vice president goh: i have a follow-up question to that. are you finished commissioner fung? president peterson: we heard the 2x4 rafters were to be replaced by 2x10 rafters, and it appeared from the drawing that would necessitate moving those rafter tails or removing those rafter tails. resource issue. >> a great point. i would like to note the existing and the proposed plans, the rafter tales are shown on their. the same detail is on both the existing and proposed additions. commissioner hwang: how do you address that issue? -- commissioner gavice presidenw the address that issue? >> did not show a change in roof pitch or height. that would be addressed during the construction process. mr. kornfield make have further -- might have further -- >> lawrence kornfield with the building department. i am trying to put it together. it is not entirely clear immediately to me. i can sit and look at it for another minute. with the p

roofs. >> this torch applied moving band, i would like to go ahead with my -- torch applied roofing, i would like to go ahead with my amendment. >> seconded. >> i disagree. it is possible that we could have a roofing expert explain it u.s.. -- to us banning the practice seems extreme at this point. how many groups are we talking about annually? half of them are causing fires? i would like to know what the numbers are. can we do seven out of 10? what are the numbers? the problem is that roofers that are doing this incorrectly, is there some way to regulate this? should there be a permit process? helping to generate some statistics for us, maybe that should be the rap -- the last stop. people that come up to speak and say that their home was affected, accidents happen. i apologize for accidents. they are unfortunate but they are accidents. i would like to revisit this issue in perhaps six months or year. [no audio] >> an order has been recommended that uses all sorts of kinds of services -- services -- surfaces, but said nothing about keeping the flame from going through. i also sympat

roof and the dry rot -- the sheeting of the roof and the dry rot. commissioner fung: i will start. i understand the need for the permit holder to get their housing in place for their family, but i am baffled how, when i look it does permit set, it is contrary to a lot of my experience with both the planning and building department in terms of scope and scale. it is also -- i am not 100% sure what the impact of what is being proposed. if you look at the intent, and it is hard to tell what has been done with permit or without a permit, the intent of the permit holder is legitimate. it is utilizing certain construction techniques to capture the attic space as a livable space, which is why the dormers are being placed in there to create the appropriate height for livable space. but it is hard to tell what happens to the ceiling, the original ceiling of the building that was below the attic space, and what framing would have been required to upgrade that to become the floor. it is clear that the existing roof in its entirety is gone. the framing plan sho

it sits on top of the roof. i don't have access to the roof, obviously. >> i don't know if this is from the same ankle or not, but i think it shows -how much of the roof is there. we can see the framing straight up and down. the portion that is being proposed is all except 6 inches of that wall that we can see. >> what is the function? why would someone do 42 inches? >> if you have nothing at the edge of the roof, or will hit the roof and down into the space between adjoining buildings. in many cases, that is fine. in san francisco, you want to stop the water and run it down some kind of gutter or something to get rid of it. that is something that we would call a curve. the water runs down, and because you can't put this roofing membrane -- you can't make it do sharp and, there is a strip with an angle in there. the angle allows the roofing to come down and go at an angle so that it doesn't break the membrane. as the curve goes up, it is defined as a fire wall extension, a minimum of 30 inches high. there are ty

>> we went all the way to the roof. commissioner joseph: what about the roof of the apartment building, does it have ventilation shafts on it? >> no. commissioner joseph: so you think the roof of manor west had previous sky lights or there are sky lights there now? >> i believe there were sky lights there and then they were covered. commissioner joseph: was it bass sound? >> yes. commissioner joseph: thank you. >> when i do the inspections we try to walk to the apartment houses, there's a city owned parking lot that abuts up against the apartment house, so i will step out of my police car and turn my radios off and stand there and try to listen to the noise as well as walk around the building. commissioner joseph: was it noise that you heard or vibration that you felt? >> it would be more noise than any type of vibration. i've never felt any vibration other than when i've gone inside manor west to do inspections. commissioner joseph: great. thank you. president roja: commissioner meko? commissioner meko: the inspections

you do a roof and your neighbor does a roof and you put a piece of flashing between the building and that keeps water out of that space between the buildings. water gets down there between the buildings and it's extremely difficult to repair dry rot inside that space. you have to take the inside wall out to get to it. we also see a couple of other things happening here. we see a down spout from a drain and those need to just be checked to make sure they're secure. they usually have lightweight connecters so you have to make sure they stay connected. here's a gutter at the top. people let their gutters fill up with debris. you need to clean a gutter out. how often? >> if you're near a pine tree, there's a lot of pines in san francisco, the needles can fill up, you -- probably twice, at least twice a year. it depends on where -- how many trees are near your house and what kind of leaves they have. >> so if the gutter fills up or even just enough to block that little down spout there, that's enough to have the water overflow into some location where you don't want it to be. either under

they have an add he'sive backing on and they can stick down on the roof without penetrating the roof. it's a very effective and cheap and safe installation process. thin film has a smaller, a lesser efficiency. half as efficient but it's about half the cost. so if you look at it, a small system 1.2 kilowatt systems, it produces 1.2 kill what's in full sun or 1,200 watts. in crystal lynn it could would take 500 panels. in thin film it would take this much space. they would produce the same and at current prices they cost close to the same. let's look at the typical system components here and i'll show you how they're laid out on the house in a minute. we know what the array is. they're hooked together. they're mounted to the roof by rails and mounts. they're hooked together with wires and switches and things like that we call that the balance of the system. it's a relatively minor component as far as price goes. so your array is mounted to the roof. it's wired to the inverter which is a simple device that changes d.c. current to a.c. current. that's all it does. it fits on the side of

it, we want you to bring it down to the roof plate, and measure up six inches from the roof plate for that. if we did that, the damage to the house would require us to bring the roof down lower to compensate for the insulation reinstallation, and the reinsulation of the crickets. we have an estimate, which is rough because the contractor who made the estimate was not the gentleman who built the roof and built the addition. he estimates about $120,000 to bring it down to six inches above the plate. this is the issue. this is why we can't comply. it is impossible to comply. it is impossible to determine what the commission really meant except to say i am not so sure larry dabner is the person that can speak for that commission. that is why we are here, because we want to ask you for a ruling as to what they meant so that we can abide by it. in the interim, i've talked to lisa wong, who is a member of the affected neighbors. she is on the north side of this tract. she is the lower neighbor on the north side. she is an architect, and we had a conversation today. she indicated, and she ind

the roof framing -- a long way to drain across. the gable. the problem is is if you go back into the actual definition of what either party said, the appellant wants to do, and first but indicated it wanted to do 6 inches above. therefore, their appeal was incorrect initially because they're drawing reflects something different. that problem also is exacerbated by the department, because the department says it is 6 inches above the roof, then the length of drainage from one end of the other then gets a exacerbated, and it creates a problem, which is why they were saying they were going to reduce it to 21 inches, because they wanted a certain amount of parapet above. and so, that is what created this, but it has also created other problems, but i just want to verify that. and that is something that could have been solved a lot easier. the issue to me, when this first came before us, and i remember this, hoping i thought instead of doing the 311, we would adjudicate it here. there was a certain amount of support. they extracted a couple of thin

it is a band towards apply roofing noncombustible roofs, and the california fire code does is moving that is two minutes using membranes of your by heating with the torch and melting as fullback instead of laughing for good reason, basically, you have these rules that are put on a moving, and propane torching used to attach them. it is an open flame on a wooden roof, and in san francisco, with our high density of wooden structures, this is a recipe for disaster, and it would only apply noncombustible roofs. it would not apply to non- combustible. they would still be allowed to use them. we have heard from the fight apartment at about 7 to 10 and moving fires happened a year -- we have heard from the fire department. this came to our attention a few years ago when there was a fire in our district that destroyed several apartments where there was a neighboring building where the fire lead to a neighboring apartments and destroyed several apartments. primarily, this is a safety issue. it bans using open flames on a combustible roof. it is also a competitive fairness issue. we have heard

that is the kind of clarity that we need to ensure the safety of wooden roofs. as far as more hard statistics on the fire, we would work with the fire department and bring it back to you for future consideration. what you have made a good point there regarding enforcing it. i think it could be made part of the inspection process. when a deck is ready to be roofed, it should be inspected first. one more inspection. the department would collect a fee for that. dad is the suggestion. there are ways around this if we come down and talk it out. we would love to work again. >> i appreciate that. we would be glad to look into it as well. >> perhaps we would find more information about what this gentleman was talking about. was the reverse certified? was he licensed? or did you roll off the street and go up there thinking he could do this job? >> we have a motion on the floor. my question, would you like us to continue this and resolve these issues and work with the department and code advisory committee and roofing industry? >> that sounds like the best. reviewing this

you have seen where the roof ends. >> that is the plan view. that is to scale plan view, 1 foot, and it shows the 10 foot square what room with the window but it up against this. -- butted up against this. this is the side view, showing the roofline of 708. we have this much light coming in from the sun rise in the morning, the sunset in the bedroom. the rest comes in, the east comes in this way. this is the high arched ceiling. we have that much like, man. if they build up and match this very unusual light well, if they match it, that is what we're trying to get out of it. commissioner hwang: so how does the rectangle work? commissioner fung: commissioner hwang, if you take a rectangular cutout out of the permit holder on the triangle, it will make it bigger than what they are proposing to match, and that is what they would prefer. commissioner hwang: okay, and that would be slightly less than the 5 foot setback? commissioner fung: potentially. >> we would prefer the 5 foot setback, but we realize that has to be some compromise. that would be

. >> there is the required dog and the reason this is in there it has a green roof. this is a little shed that somebody built it's under the 100 square feet requirement and below no permit is required and they built this artist studio with a green roof isn't that odd? gorgeous studio an. >> these are earthquake refugee shacks and they replaced the tent cities put up in parks and house the ten's of thousand's of refugees and wurn winter was approaching and decided they decided a more permanent way to house these people and they built these cottages in city parks and presidio park and of this amount there are 23, 24 that are certified to still be standing although we assume there are many more hidden in people's backyards or suburbs and that type of thing and when the camps closed people could take the shacks with them and start a new life and many were together to form larger residences of three or four shacks together and our organization is trying to stay four of them we have moved to the zoo and we trying to get one of them on display for next year. >> and these ar

jake roof gut -- roof gutter. clubhouse is much beloved and very dangerous. it is grossly deteriorating, and it needs replacement, and that is a big public safety concern for us. bob dole of pool did make the list as well. -- balboa pool did make the laws as well. if i can keep the roots integrity, i can usually hold on to the other systems. goothose of you that have done e renovations probably know this. public utilities commission has been very helpful. they have done an updated energy system, and they were doing some light things work, and they found your air handling system is failing, and of course, the staff knows that as well, because they have had difficulties as well, and it did not come up in comment. union square is interesting in that it was recently renovated, but we had a great deal of problems with the lighting system. there are a lot of stairs, and the lights have failed because of a faulty design when they did renovation they did a puddle of water we need to get it working. it continues to fail. but as the worst of the processes we would need

reporting in san roof fell kron 4 news. >> here in oakland the judge has postponed until july 30th theruling on whether to throw out to fish and a contract imposed by ec transit on its drivers. upset about the terms of the new contract which call for wage freeze as well as changes in jóy(." costs. one and five drivers did not report for work on tuesday. ac transit apologize to writer is many a full were stranded at the same time morning if the court nullifies the new contract there could be layoffs. the district seems to close of $50 million budget deficit. in oakland kron 4 news. >> continuing our coverage from ac transit riders i spoke to said they're feeling the effect of the drivers and those say they're not happy about having to wait longer hear the bus stop. >> it's a totally convenience for all commuters not just community. >> it affects those like me who rely on public transportation to get them to work each and every day. >> i hope they can work it out. when >> all the writers i spoke to said the hopes the contract dispute is over soon. >> here in oakland city hall the counci

any detail on the roof. vice president goh: the detailed drawing of the rafter beans did and at the wall. >> so then we refer back to elevation. elevation shows us what the final product is going to look like. it is identical to the existing. vice president goh: you would not expect to see those rafter tails shown in that detail even if there were purely cosmetic? >> we do not typically review details in that detailing as far as the roof is being constructed. we rely on the building department. we look at the elevation. are there any changes in terms of pitch? in this particular instance, there was not any. if we may, may i suggest that if the board is deciding to go in a certain direction you can add a condition to make sure the detailing of the rafter tales be shown on subsequent plans. >> just to point out on the proposed plan as was just pointed out, the proposed elevation shows some details of rafter tales, but i would agree if it was the direction of the board to approve a permit you might specifically

they have a huge setback around their roof. vice president goh: i am interested to hear what you were going to say. 76 have a setback on what? >> their rooftop. vice president goh: the top floor? >> they have a huge setback. vice president goh: could you point that out? >> sure. this is kim's home. this is their neighbor. they have this huge setback. kim's home comes up like ours. ropas you can see, it lines up. this is exhibit be out of the lawyer's brief. i am going to show you exhibits m of the same brief. do you see the setback i am talking about, everyone? that is a real setback there. with angela's content and that she is helping out the neighbor by pushing her wall back, that whole northern wall of theirs is set back except for their portion. they even have a portion of the front of the building. we support the addition. we love new stuff. we support it. except do not take away our limited light. vice president goh: thank you. president peterson: you have three minutes. >> thank you, madam president. if i might have the

also in an apartment and up on a roof. knock on wood, i think we have done a successful job here, and we think the residents, because there were windows that were open, and we pitcher feud with their quiet enjoyment, so we apologize. -- in we interfered with their quiet enjoyment. -- and we did. >> we did another test unknown to the club again later that night. unfortunately, i was hoping to have a report for you guys. i do not have it. talking on the telephone, he seemed very satisfied with both what the club has done as far as soundproofing and changing the sound system and also with talking to some of the residence. they seem pretty satisfied, as well, with the results. both on the roof and the side of the building. any kind of sound was well within legal and standard limits. so we are pretty happy with what we found. i do not see this becoming a problem. commissioner joseph: commissioner meko? commissioner meko: with regard to the letters or the emails that you just passed around, i am not exactly clear what your point

these two levels of roof deck for the project reagan -- for the project. this view you have in front of you addresses the design and shows also the two roof decks that have the use of downtown and the bay. we're very proud to do we hope the design is self-explanatory and would be glad to answer questions. >> would you like to add anything? >> good evening, commissioners here reagan -- commissioners. this is actually a really good example of a collaboration. it became under the jurisdiction of the department of housing, and they actually purchased the site, so the mayor's office is providing housing. we urge your approval. we have a successful project, also our plan being surplus by the city. gerd we are looking forward to do something on the side. >> i would like to open it up for public comments. is there any public comment on this item? public comment is closed. >> i am thrilled with the opportunities to enthusiastically support a second project of affordable housing, which is pretty remarkable. this is a well-designed site. i have often wondered what is

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we are really concerned about the roof. we have had one roof there already. one month ago, we had another one that began tipping. we could have lost an additional routes and not been able to meet the standards of treatment that we had. >> if you are walking into deep water falls with someone shorter than you, and if you're walking with some fun heavier than you. >> this is well beyond the useful life. the new facility for of france requires 10 acres. if we would like to pursue a drying facility, we will be looking at an additional 5 acres. late in the game, we start talking about this and pieces and we start to talk about food waste. those did not progress enough for to improve for analysis and the task force members recommend that we would want to have another similar process as one that we held. now i want to talk about the task force members who have been a working with us for 18 months. today, we have five of the members here and each of us will be helping us during public testimony. some of the other members were not able to make the meeting. it is the g